So I checked out Elite after ditching it for Star Citizen
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I would say it's much more interesting than old school deathmatch style on-foot combat zones, but almost any part of the DLC is barely connected with the main game and I'm really not sure if any of those parts defend themselves on their own. What I mean is, I don't think anyone buys Elite to get Odyssey DLC for great FPS or stealth elements they can't get anywhere else.
When I get tired of my spaceship game and want to play some stealth shooter, I might as well quit Elite and play something else that's often better at it - that's how disconnected Odyssey feels to me.
I think people play games like Elite mainly because those are space "adventure" games (whatever adventure someone seeks). It's not like, let's say, Star Craft, where gameplay is most important and everything else is just a dressing - fans of the genre probably don't care much if it's set in space, medieval times, or whatever. I think Chris Roberts understands it much better, because whatever anyone might think about that game, he knows what resonates with space fans nad know how to make money off it.
Yeah I would much rather they extended on the ship pilot on a big universe theme. Sure there could be ground combat, but in fitting with the theme, hunt down enemies in a ground settlement, bounty hunting and things like that, invading pirate bases by stealth or force, but shoehorning a full capture the flag style FPS into the game was unnecessary, if they had skipped that and put more emphasis on foot combat more in keeping with the theme of ED I think it would have gone down a lot better. We still get legs, and let me say I am very happy we got legs and I do sometimes walk around settlement doing delivery and pickup missions when in the bubble, but the full FPS stuff never...so many games do indeed do it much better.
Which ultimately proves that most people have no idea what they are talking about when they claim Odyssey to be "tacked on FPS"Strange that you say that since they were in the Third Person Perspective and not in the First Person Perspective like, Doom, Call of Duty, Crysis, Metro, etc...
Also, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 were RPGs, much more than they were TPSs (Third Person Shooters) like Gears of War, etc...
. Hashtag #NotAnFPS .Sorry for the sting @Old Duck , had to be done
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It is just habit on the part of those who have no interest - or no personal perspective - in EDO.Which ultimately proves that most people have no idea what they are talking about when they claim Odyssey to be "tacked on FPS"
Sorry for the sting @Old Duck , had to be done
Like it or not, no problem... Compare it to dedicated FPS (or in that instance TPS) games is odd, but done often enough.
Since the second is never going to happen we already know the answer!
Fire use to bring me to single digits. Still might, have only done foot cz since Oddy release.
Hi All
I did back the SC kickstarter to the princely sum of about £60 at the same time I backed the kickstarter for Elite, followed the hype for a year or so, I haven't even looked back on their website for the last 5 years (maybe even longer) so I have no real idea where the 'game' is at now, or who's actually in the development team.
Yep, at least (As you say) the ED backers got a playable game, my take on Chris Roberts and co is one of serious suspicion now (in many areas) of any 'progress' of that game.
At least I had the good sense not to invest any more time and money after all the launch hype had died down.
Jack
I think it's quite plain to see SC, or more specifically Squadron 42? ...was that what it was going to be called?...ain't going to happen in my lifetime.I must admit I did look into backing SC when it was first announced, also into backing Elite, but both times went for the "I want to pay full price for a space sim game that lets me fly in the void somewhere and get upto all the old naughty stuff I fondly remember from my days playing Elite and Elite frontier" Translation: lets wait for the reviews
2014 rolls by and Fdev get my money(along with the money for the expansions, a midnight black paint job and my beloved Jack o'Lantern dash ornament(I have to put that else he gets angry and plots revenge with the thargoid))
SC .... I'm still waiting for the full game coming up on 10 yrs later........
Bill
And yeah.. I'm aware of the issues Elite dangerous has had over the years.... but at least we GOT a game
I did back the SC kickstarter to the princely sum of about £60 at the same time I backed the kickstarter for Elite, followed the hype for a year or so, I haven't even looked back on their website for the last 5 years (maybe even longer) so I have no real idea where the 'game' is at now, or who's actually in the development team.
Yep, at least (As you say) the ED backers got a playable game, my take on Chris Roberts and co is one of serious suspicion now (in many areas) of any 'progress' of that game.
At least I had the good sense not to invest any more time and money after all the launch hype had died down.
Jack
For what it is worth, U13 brought significant performance improvements on my system with the driver versions I use. Before U13 there was no chance in hell I could fly a ship even close to an Odyssey settlement in VR without wanting to vomit instantly. While it still isn't plain sailing, I do enjoy Odyssey content very much since it became playable for me after U13.
Exactly. I don't mind FPS in Elite, but it could've been more part of the whole experience.
For example you first have a space dogfight, then you can board the incapacitated ship and loot it (but not only for suit and small arms parts!). Maybe ride the settlement and steal some cargo that you will then put on your ship and sell. Lots of ways to not make Odyssey so separate and therefore of less interest to people who bought the game for completely different experience.
Meanwhile deathmach arena CZ is just simplistic and boring minigmame. Stealth and other stuff - ok, why not, but it doesn't have anything to do with my ship - you can't even get ship engineering materials as a reward.
Really, really bad design ideas for that DLC imo, although I do understand some of the reasoning -since it is optional DLC, they wanted to keep it separate as much as possible to not introduce Pay-to-win. Ship interiors would probably work much better as this kind of optional DLC.
Only for people interested in multiplayer
I'm not interestedin pvp at all, however i do take part in co-op play, especially around the new thargoid content (although with the extra oomph provided by the 6-pack Conda i can clear planetary CZ on my own now)
So i have Odyssey on all my 3 PC account, but not because multiplayer - just to have the full experience. Since EDO launched, I consider Horizons half a game now.
You'd be surprised how fun the ground combat can be.
And, perhaps most surprisingly, i get this opinion from people that are usually not into FPS games.
There's two major problems with the Kickstarter model:
1) You're asking people to pay up front for highly uncertain returns. On the whole, if someone's going to be doing that I'd rather it be the one with the 8-figure bank balance (Frontier) rather than me.
2) The amount of money raised is - a few bizarre outliers aside - mostly irrelevant on the scales ED now operates. Frontier raised a bit over £1M from the original Elite Kickstarter, which was considered almost unachievable for the time ("you're asking for how much?!") and even with inflation is I think still in the top 50 Kickstarters ever.
Based on their recent accounts, £1M would fund Elite Dangerous - operations and current "not as fast as we'd like" development pace combined - for about 3 months.
The highest ever computer game Kickstarter was still under £5M in today's money, or less than a third of the cost of developing Odyssey.
On the other hand, the existing Elite player base brings in about £6M a year - new account purchases and ARX - which is down on previous levels, but still essentially the same income rate as the original Kickstarter was. Frontier's current approach of trying to add more free content in the hope of improving player numbers isn't ideal for pace but is probably the only option that might get it back up to "could have a go at another Odyssey-sized project" eventually.
It can still run out of money so that the ongoing income doesn't even support operations - though I think it would require player activity to drop to well under half of the previously-seen "floor" before that happened, which there's been no sign of - but, yes, CQC is the only bit which can (and did) die through lack of concurrent players.
O7
That's a really apt meme for Elite.
I clear remember how the game was dying back in 2019, like less than 3-4 months after i joined - yet here i am, having 3 PC accounts instead of a single XB account back then, at the end of 2018
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Who will get there first, SE or ED...
I have my own cabin and bathroom and toilet in Space Engineers. The toilet even recharges my space suit, LOL. Though now that I think about it, I sit on the toilet fully suited up... Not sure how that works, unless there's a valve on my suit butt. Hmmm...
Maybe it's not the toilet that's recharging your suit.
Of course SC will never leave alpha.
If it did, they would have to stop raising money for development and begin to justify the game's budget in terms of actual performance in the market. And we all know that it is broadly inaccessible because it's a niche thing (space sim), demanding, and unstable, so it couldn't possibly be as financially successful in a fully released state compared to the state it is in now... which is permadevelopment.
It isn't a scam. It's just a really good way to get money. They aren't marketing a product. They're marketing an "investment" in an unstable but evolving experience.
Pretty clever actually.
Sometimes the line between the two is very thin. After over ten years in development, taking money for the promise of a finished game and never delivering, one could be inclined to think that they crossed that line. The money they get for their perpetual alpha gives very little incentive to ever finish and release it.
Source? We have next to no info on that and I'm sure Frontier didn't use the word 'promise'.
Opinion, possibly?Source? We have next to no info on that and I'm sure Frontier didn't use the word 'promise'.
I do understand it is unfashionalbe for anyone to be enthusiastic about anything Frontier do, but some are, you realise...