I think this thread about OFFLINE play should now be moved to the "Elite Fiction" category
They can move it next to their Kickstarter page.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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They can move it next to their Kickstarter page.
Except that nothing had changed on that other issue until last Friday - then it did.
That kind of depends whether you backed it from the kickstarter, or afterwards from Frontier's website. The website did state that there would be a single player offline version as well, don't remember reading any statement there that said you were buying into a wishlist, if there was it was more hidden than it should have been!
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Quite, in fact even as someone who feels strongly they have done wrong here I would struggle to call it a confidence trick. Deliberate deceit.... maybe, though not at first but certainly withholding the fact that offline was looks problematic is borderline (depending on when it because clear and how much genuine good faith effort was made to deliver).
Most certainly a good big dollop of incompetence. But not fraud, no.
As a PVP player in other games I always wondered how the offline and online thing would work. The vocal lot who went on and on about griefers I thought would be put to rest by playing offline or solo, as it stands I still can't figure out how even solo can mesh with multi let along offline. How does everything get reconciled when you switch between the two?
I only ask not because I really want an answer but as it stands at the moment I can imagine that we'll lose solo too at some point, the opportunity for exploiting it by switching when it suits is huge or am I missing something?
I only ask not because I really want an answer but as it stands at the moment I can imagine that we'll lose solo too at some point, the opportunity for exploiting it by switching when it suits is huge or am I missing something?
Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?
Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter
You would have to get a bit more specific than that, tbh. Just claiming slander is pointless without making specific points to what you >think< is slander. Especially when there are so many factual grievances between what they said back then and are saying now. Also, you shouldn't confuse slander with personal opinions. It's a pretty important distinction in legal terms.
Frankly, given the track record, I find it interesting why people are putting faith in what they say now when what they said back then appearantly couldn't be trusted.
Well, don't really know what to say about this.
I was so excited when founded out that work is being done on new Elite. Backed it without any hesitation. It was like dreams coming true at last. Been living for all new and old features and eagerly waiting for every newsletter.
But now, I feel somewhat dissappointed and shocked (and by some degree even tricked) by decision of Frontier developments about abandoning offline mode. Frontier Developments have build up reputation in this community for being trustworthy and reliable. It was famous for listening for players wishes and needs. What happened out there? Frontier developments were fully aware that there are decent percentage of players who pledged only because of promised fully playable offline single player mode. Something become suspicious to me more than a year ago when every feature (especially hyperspace) was adjusted for online play.
Why it is so hard to understand that some of the players do prefer single player mode? Why it is so hard to understand that some of us planned to play Elite dangerous when at trips or away from country or away from internet connection?
Some of us are not interested in online play, and want to play exclusively with NPCs in glaxy evolving regardless of servers and players who are playing online. When I restart the game, I want galaxy to be at the "starting point". We do not want to be connected to other player's universes! It is not exciting and cool to some of us. Not to mention that I find requirement for permanent internet connection intrusive, agressive and offending. We have backed and payed for something else! Why are you forcing us to consider refunding?
Are we basically getting another annoying EVE online? Or Starcitizen?
Don't get me wrong, I'm the fan of the Elite from the moment I first saw it. I was living for the day the new Elite will come. But without fully playable offline single player it does not make any sense for me any more.
I'm happy for all the players that were excited with online multiplayer Elite. Hope they will enjoy it just like we all enjoyed previous Elite titles. But this decision will leave considerable number of players dissappointed.
I was so excited when founded out that work is being done on new Elite. Backed it without any hesitation. It was like dreams coming true at last. Been living for all new and old features and eagerly waiting for every newsletter.
But now, I feel somewhat dissappointed and shocked (and by some degree even tricked) by decision of Frontier developments about abandoning offline mode. Frontier Developments have build up reputation in this community for being trustworthy and reliable. It was famous for listening for players wishes and needs. What happened out there? Frontier developments were fully aware that there are decent percentage of players who pledged only because of promised fully playable offline single player mode. Something become suspicious to me more than a year ago when every feature (especially hyperspace) was adjusted for online play.
Why it is so hard to understand that some of the players do prefer single player mode? Why it is so hard to understand that some of us planned to play Elite dangerous when at trips or away from country or away from internet connection?
Some of us are not interested in online play, and want to play exclusively with NPCs in glaxy evolving regardless of servers and players who are playing online. When I restart the game, I want galaxy to be at the "starting point". We do not want to be connected to other player's universes! It is not exciting and cool to some of us. Not to mention that I find requirement for permanent internet connection intrusive, agressive and offending. We have backed and payed for something else! Why are you forcing us to consider refunding?
Are we basically getting another annoying EVE online? Or Starcitizen?
Don't get me wrong, I'm the fan of the Elite from the moment I first saw it. I was living for the day the new Elite will come. But without fully playable offline single player it does not make any sense for me any more.
I'm happy for all the players that were excited with online multiplayer Elite. Hope they will enjoy it just like we all enjoyed previous Elite titles. But this decision will leave considerable number of players dissappointed.
Perhaps not (although I doubt any such thing would be necessary) but building it right in the first place would of been a good idea.
Depends how long it was between the decision to drop offline and telling us. They were still taking money from sales in the intervening period.
"Steps could include offering refunds, detailing exactly how funds were used, and other actions to satisfy backers."
Same page; if the money's been spent, they can't refund it.
Law suites really does appear to be the last ditch attempt in this thread.... That couldn't happen...
you would stand a better chance taking Kickstarter to court ...After all they make the campaign possible.....
Threats wont get anyone anywhere
you would stand a better chance taking Kickstarter to court ...After all they make the campaign possible.....
Threats wont get anyone anywhere
Because some people don't necessarily agree what they said back them puts them into the category of "cannot be trusted". Again, I only speak to my own views and no one else on here speaks for me.
Oh, please! "pretty sure" on the basis of what, exactly?
Exaggeration and speculation-as-fact are really, really unhelpful for everything other than making people feel more hurt and upset, which I presume isn't your intent. So maybe steer clear of them?
(Your post has no basis in law, BTW, just in case anyone was wondering, it merely demonstrates a lack of understanding on your part).
Sure they can, they are legally bound to. Detailing how it was used does not satisfy me, I want the pledge reward or the money back.
I think you have argued your case, and indeed the case of all those directly affected brilliantly Juniper, but I cannot agree with that post. I think FD are guilty of letting us down in many respects here, but I don't think they have failed on any murky legal level, they just have nonexistent damage limitation PR skills.
I don't believe FD set out to deceive or exploit like this, they just prioritised us out of their plans. Not very nice still, but if they give out refunds to those genuinely affected, they at least hold some credibility.
I don't believe FD set out to deceive or exploit like this, they just prioritised us out of their plans. Not very nice still, but if they give out refunds to those genuinely affected, they at least hold some credibility.
Just like it was not unreasonable for me to believe what he said 2 years ago on the issue.
I am not saying he deliberately lied, only part of a team which failed to deliver a specific product which they advertised.
Posted this on another discussion but is probs more relevant to this thread and is a decent article http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/elite-dangerous-and-playing-offline/
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Well the lack of a meaningful response from FD today has left me with a really bitter taste. Sorry to say, I'll now be seeking a partial refund. I'd have pledged some money without an off-line version, but nowhere near what I did. And I'll still be playing it, but the premium box set is now worthless to me. Seems like asking for some of the money back is the way to go.
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