No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Let me point out the writing on the wall that it sounds like you have missed.

David Braben has now gone on record flippantly discarding the core feature that allowed him to create Elite : Dangerous in the first place.

And you think your pet feature/DLC has any future?

For almost 2 years, that core feature has been discussed and referenced everywhere. To add insult to injury, refunds aren't being granted to those that request them. Wake up, man!

Anything particular i should do after waking up? My post (kind of) implies that i woke up and lost hope in June, while you seem to have woke up few days ago. Good morning! It just isn't my game (yet, maybe) i realized in June. I'll give this "project" a year, or whatever time it needs. In any case hundred quid i pledged was a gamble from the get go and I realize fully there is no one but me to blame for that. Not everything happens the way you want it to. You can go and file a lawsuit now if you feel like it, but count me out.
 
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Actually people thought they could play the game offline, at their own pace, with no "people" like you hassling them online. With the ability to return to the game weekend after weekend to continue where they left. You know, some people have a real life, a job, a family... and no, Solo Online is not the solution for that.

Unfortunately other players will affect your galaxy while you are occupied with boring things like real life.
So you found that nice trade route on the border of Federation space and have a good reputation with the feds.
Now next weekend you get back... and suprise! The Empire is now in charge of the system, as you are a convicted criminal in the Empire you have to fight system security and bounty hunters to escape the system and finally the trade route is also history as all the other Solo players delivered thousands of tons of the precious good you planned on hauling there...
Or you go out in the galaxy to explore new worlds, get into a new region of space to cartograph it, can't play for some time and "woe, behold" hundreds of kids with no job after school decided to explore that region for you pushing the border of unexplored space some hundreds of light years out (meaning 3-4 days of playing for you to reach unexplored space again. Alas, the weekend just have 2 days).
So exploring is spoiled for the "vocal minority", trading means using trading tools to get at least a little orientation on markets, rather than relying on ever changing economics in real time, which leaves mining annd... wait a minute, if you mine an Asteroid field and find a good source and get back to it after some days, maybe it is already stripped bare by other players, so well, f...ed up mining also, which leaves: Right, fly around and shoot at NPCs or better join OpenPlay and right away kill "Onliners" as anti aggression therapy... as yopu get a free Sidewinder everytime, it would just require to learn how to inflict good damage with the standard rig...
Nice! Not exactly what I expected from Elite.

I'll try my luck with online and hope it doesn't get too much as I predicted, but whatever they deliver now, the circumstances of this desaster leave a very, very bad taste for my liking.

If people opt for refund and get denied, they might revoke the payment issued by debit card... that could lead to legal issues FD need to fight, ultimately may even cost them dearly, so the future developpment is at risk.

In the end it might have been the better decision to just hire some guys and finish the static, limited offline experience instead of whining about the lack of ressources to build two different games and that they want to build their vision.
Given the fact that they stated offline will be a feature since the start of the Kickstarter campaign, I always thought it WAS part of their vision?!

I also totally agree with this 100%

I also totally agree with this.
 
Christ on a bike!

I hope you pre-ordered, rather than got beta and know so little about the game.

What you are asking for you will get from Solo mode. No ganking, no sign of another player.

And I'm out of here, I came to this thread not caring either way about offline, hoping to see what the issue is, and in 5+ hours all I've seen is the same old incorrect information repeated over and over.

It's sad you guys haven't found what you are looking for in ED, but good luck and best wishes for the future.

If you were reading this for 5+ hours you could figure out why solo online mode is also unnacceptable and problematic for people who can not play the game every day for a few hours.
 
Wow. I sure won't be buying this game then. Games for windows live, sim city, WAR and numerous others are why any sort of online requirement (be it always on or merely for 5 seconds) is a bad thing for consumers. Don't get me wrong, online games can be great... until they get turned off. I have more days than i care to admit invested in both X3TC and LOTRO. One day, LOTRO will be turned off and I will lose all of that time investment overnight. X3TC on the other hand.... nobody can take that time investment away.

On another note, one only needs to look at Egosoft for an example of what happens when a developer ignores its customer base (ReBleeeeeerth).


you have failed to read Brabens Q&A thread in recent days then. He has explained that periodic snapshots can/will be taken of server states so that, if such a time came, it could be ported wherever it needs to go.
 
So they won't likely give me a refund of my 165 pounds. I wanted offline , that's why I bought the game. I want to play a game on my terms. Sure I'd dip in to Online and have fun there too whilst it lasts ..... So I've decided I'm just going to blockage a major port with my KS paid for Cobra and blow anything and everything up, and when I die I'll start doing it again and again. It wouldn't take many of us to do this for them to notice. Is this griefing of a perfectly legitimate multi player option ? Tell me that ? Back in '84 we just shot and killed everything in the sky. What's to stop us now ?

And I was told I'm exaggerating, and people are not attempting coersion and bullying tomget their way :)

Go right ahead Gazmoid. People like that what they have to be prepared for anyway. Don't be too surprised if you get timeouts, and eventually placed in a griefers-only private group, no matter which option you pick when logging in.

If attempting to ruin other people's day is what you feel you must do, then you must. Me, I would sell my account to somebody not against playing online.
 
They're not selling that many modern games, most of the old ones were practically abandonware before gog opened.

That said I do agree that DRM is pretty useless and mostly harms the legit users, just don't think that gog.com is a very good example either way.

Turns out GOG.com is owned by CD Projekt RED, apparently.

Makers of "The Witcher" series.

Which is selling pretty well, I think. ;)

Without DRM.
 
And depending on how much you pledged, if you did, during the Kickstarter those accounts could be highly sought after. I'm certain they wouldn't go to waste. Whether Frontier are happy with that situation I can't say.
 
you have failed to read Brabens Q&A thread in recent days then. He has explained that periodic snapshots can/will be taken of server states so that, if such a time came, it could be ported wherever it needs to go.

Yes, and its not likely to be impractical or anything
 
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Lol here is my reply from FD for refund request:

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Support Team
Wed 19th Nov 2014 17:46
Dear Thomas,

Thank you for getting in touch with us requesting a refund due to our announcement that we were not able to include an offline mode in Elite: Dangerous. We are sorry you have chosen to do this but understand the disappointment it has caused some people.

We have started responding to requests where there is a clear outcome:
Those who have pre-ordered a Elite: Dangerous release version from our online store and have therefore not yet played the game are eligible for a refund.
Those who have already been playing the game online in the Alpha and/or Beta phases, regardless of whether they backed the project via Kickstarter or purchased access to Alpha and/or Beta through our online store, are not eligible for a refund.

We haven't yet responded to your request as each one takes us some time to investigate. We want to make sure we treat each person's situation with the thoroughness it deserves, and therefore ask that you bear with us over the next few working days as we look into your request.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Support"

Just got this message right now aswell.
 
you have failed to read Brabens Q&A thread in recent days then. He has explained that periodic snapshots can/will be taken of server states so that, if such a time came, it could be ported wherever it needs to go.

Unless this is just another promise he will fail to deliver on later with some poor excuse.
 
Hehe. There's no way I'd do this. I've been served with this during the beta ( deliberate crashing etc ) .. This isn't how I want the game at all but there are already people doing it. It not my thing but it is legitimate and very Elite. Pirates ? Mercinaries ? We have kill people missions. Me personally I like to trade and do missions and explore and all of this I can do in the previous games in a gameplay deeper way then ED is offering. I'm just bitterly disappointed.
Great graphics though whilst they last.
I just wanted to make a point.

And I was told I'm exaggerating, and people are not attempting coersion and bullying tomget their way :)

Go right ahead Gazmoid. People like that what they have to be prepared for anyway. Don't be too surprised if you get timeouts, and eventually placed in a griefers-only private group, no matter which option you pick when logging in.

If attempting to ruin other people's day is what you feel you must do, then you must. Me, I would sell my account to somebody not against playing online.
 
I wonder how people have come this far if their outlook is to disbelieve everything someone says. Surely they wouldn't even be playing the game?

Actually they did believe him when he said there "will" be an offline mode. They are not likely to make the same mistake again now are they?
 
Christ on a bike!

I hope you pre-ordered, rather than got beta and know so little about the game.

What you are asking for you will get from Solo mode. No ganking, no sign of another player.

And I'm out of here, I came to this thread not caring either way about offline, hoping to see what the issue is, and in 5+ hours all I've seen is the same old incorrect information repeated over and over.

It's sad you guys haven't found what you are looking for in ED, but good luck and best wishes for the future.

I am a kickstarter backer, a group that is directly responsible for the Elite : Dangerous and this forum even existing. It was Frontier that committed to supporting offline play that convinced enough of us to back the project at the last hour -- they almost didn't make it.

David Braben is trying to convince you that what he describes as "solo" is what others have in mind with the term "single-player". When in fact, David Braben's "solo" is only a thin veil over the "multiplayer" experience; that veil is that you don't ever see other player ships but you do have to deal with whatever effects they have dished out to the multiplayer world. There is no pause. There is no continuity between weekend play.

I hope I am wrong about it, but it is sounding more and more likely that Frontier doesn't have a viable AI implementation and therefore were forced to merge all human players together in an attempt to mask it and make their release deadline.
 
Turns out GOG.com is owned by CD Projekt RED, apparently.

Makers of "The Witcher" series.

Which is selling pretty well, I think. ;)

Without DRM.

Yes, I said most of the games they're selling ... one "major" and few minor dev companies selling their products without DRM is nothing new.
 
Lol here is my reply from FD for refund request:

"
Support Team
Wed 19th Nov 2014 17:46
Dear Thomas,

Thank you for getting in touch with us requesting a refund due to our announcement that we were not able to include an offline mode in Elite: Dangerous. We are sorry you have chosen to do this but understand the disappointment it has caused some people.

We have started responding to requests where there is a clear outcome:
Those who have pre-ordered a Elite: Dangerous release version from our online store and have therefore not yet played the game are eligible for a refund.
Those who have already been playing the game online in the Alpha and/or Beta phases, regardless of whether they backed the project via Kickstarter or purchased access to Alpha and/or Beta through our online store, are not eligible for a refund.

We haven't yet responded to your request as each one takes us some time to investigate. We want to make sure we treat each person's situation with the thoroughness it deserves, and therefore ask that you bear with us over the next few working days as we look into your request.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Support"

Well,
This is disgusting.
Basically you invest loads of time and money supporting and helping to test a game and then you are treated as if they have helped you, or given you something for your money even though the game you helped test is not yet released. The game you were promised and wanted to play will not be delivered unless the servers go down. If you didn't support or help test the game but did pre-order then you can have a refund.
I just honestly do not understand.
 
Anybody ever tried to get a refund from steam, origin, humblebundle etc., because didn't liked the game or something wasn't as described, missing feature,broken promise or whatever?

Steam gave refunds to at least a few people who bought X:Rebirth shortly after release, because it was released in an essentially unplayable condition. You had to jump through a few hoops to get there, but refunds were given. A game has to be in pretty bad shape, or seriously misrepresented by the developer before Steam will do this, though.
 
That is just the thing why people want offline solo mode. Anyone who ever played EVE online knows how only few morons can ruin you the game forever. Yes, that are also the wonders of MMO. And some of us do not find that "exciting". And no bounties, police, bans or insurances will stop morons from ruining the game for casual players. By casual I mean players who can not afford to play the game for hours every day.

And so, after carefully and painfully geting the Cobra at last, some moron blows you off the sky for fun and cause it has a big ship. Some of us just do not wwant these experiences. We want offline mode!

Solo mode, or joining a nice PvE group like Mobius has put together. It's not hard.

Ideologues who can't stomach not freely copying the game, or the thought of playing in mild iron man (no save & load) can't unfortunately be helped here.

If you just want to avoid playing with others, solo mode is just fine and gets you the Elite of 2014 with a living universe where your actions matter and have consequences.
 
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