No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Did anyone pick up the fact that DB promised a review of Offline after release? He kinda snuck it in the same way he snuck dropping Offline!

Probably everyone has, but what does that mean? Is it just said to cool down the crowd or is it an honest statement?

After all, I am not sure, maybe even I don't even care anymore, since I am more and more getting emotionally disconnected to Elite (as an old 84er), FD and all that.

I am hoping that over time this will change and I will play ED the with the same enthusiasm I was playing Elite in the mid 80s.
 
Which is precisely what has happened to backers who don't have a constant or reliable connection, unfortunately.

Or some of us are always on the go with laptop and attempt to play the game whenever we have time. I do realize this game was in development long before even Kick starter was announced to public. Its disappointing the news was confirmed so close to Official Release Date that you MUST have internet to play Elite Dangerous. In other words thank you for your support and $$$ to everyone who was hoping for Offline version.

SOLO mode should've been a complete offline to begin with.
 
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Why is there a problem with this, just why?

I know that some people cant be online all the time and i think its a perfectly good reason to be mad, but for the others?
I know you wanted that offline experience like you had in the previous elite games but, im struggling to see how solo mode isnt just that.

Yeah i know it gets changed by players all the time, but wouldnt the NPCs do it anyway?
 
I'm odfag who played original Elite on 48K ZX Spectrum, just registered to add another unhappy opinion in this epic thread. From the start of this project I thought about it as offline game with online multiplayer, but it's came around completely. It's built as MMO and they probaly know from the start that offline mode can't be easily done, and said it only now, after they got money from Kickstarter and just weeks before release! This is a move for me.

As for my personal pro-offline reasons:
  • want to save or pause game and universe should patiently wait for me not changing (all MMO games want your constant involvement)
  • want to play on notebook when have no online connection
  • want to play when someone in my house uses Internet for Netflix and torrent extensively

Pity and shame that they failed (or just unwilling from the start) to create "universe simulator" on modern hardware with tons of memory. I was once thrilled how it was possible to have such simulator inside 48 KB with 3.5 MHz CPU!

I haven't yet invested my money through KS (and very sorry for those who do), but definitely wanted to buy the game when it's ready... with offline gameplay!
 
And yet, if you had the audacity to check out for 20 minutes the state of the game you backed almost 2 years ago in preparation for its release, planning to play offline, but accepting for the time being that the beta needed to be online for bug introspection; well, you are just SOL asking for a refund because suddenly Frontier rips the game that you backed for out of your hands and continues to mock you for feeling taken advantage of.
My feeling exactly. Well, it was a couple hours instead of 20 minutes, I wanted to test my joystick setup...
 
Again, I ask if your local ISP goes down on a regular basis.
Firstly yes it does as do many ISP's not in premium areas within the capital cities here in Australia, so please try to understand sahib that us provincials do have the odd challenge or two.

And secondly by sidestepping the question you answered it . . no you don't have any concrete information and are simply regurgitating the corporate line.
 

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- Those who have already been playing the game online in the Alpha and/or Beta phases, regardless of whether they backed the project via Kickstarter or purchased access to Alpha and/or Beta through our online store, are not eligible for a refund.

Sounds like the grounds for a class action lawsuit, we bought a product which promised something that was not delivered.
In addition to that they waited until the last possible moment to share this information because they suddenly "found out" two weeks before launch they couldn't deliver what was promised.
 
"We have started responding to requests where there is a clear outcome:
- Those who have pre-ordered an Elite: Dangerous release version from our online store and have therefore not yet played the game are eligible for a refund.
- Those who have already been playing the game online in the Alpha and/or Beta phases, regardless of whether they backed the project via Kickstarter or purchased access to Alpha and/or Beta through our online store, are not eligible for a refund.

We want to make sure we treat each person's situation with the thoroughness it deserves, and have contacted each of them to ask that they bear with us over the next few working days if their circumstances do not fit either criteria above as we look into individual requests."

As per the last line, if you have a genuine issue I would raise it with Frontier on why offline mode was very important to you, I think its worth a shot. Good luck :).

That pretty much sums it up.

Maybe it's time to decide whether you're in or out and either move forward to enjoy what comes next, or move on to the next adventure.

I find it fascinating that this thread is still growing, approaching 10,000 posts. Personally, if I really only pledged for an offline mode and wanted a discount, I would take it up with FD in the manner described above, and would be done with the game and the forums. Conversely, if lack of an offline mode didn't bother me, why would I post in a giant thread to pointlessly argue with those who want out?

(I fully recognize the irony of my post given the last sentence, but irony is the complete definition of my life - and in fairness, I'm not trying to argue with anyone...)

Me, I can't wait to see what comes next.
 
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I'm odfag who played original Elite on 48K ZX Spectrum, just registered to add another unhappy opinion in this epic thread. From the start of this project I thought about it as offline game with online multiplayer, but it's came around completely. It's built as MMO and they probaly know from the start that offline mode can't be easily done, and said it only now, after they got money from Kickstarter and just weeks before release! This is a move for me.

As for my personal pro-offline reasons:
  • want to save or pause game and universe should patiently wait for me not changing (all MMO games want your constant involvement)
  • want to play on notebook when have no online connection
  • want to play when someone in my house uses Internet for Netflix and torrent extensively

Pity and shame that they failed (or just unwilling from the start) to create "universe simulator" on modern hardware with tons of memory. I was once thrilled how it was possible to have such simulator inside 48 KB with 3.5 MHz CPU!

I haven't yet invested my money through KS (and very sorry for those who do), but definitely wanted to buy the game when it's ready... with offline gameplay!


Welcome aboard! Hope your voice will be heard. As for the reasons you stated - it is very similar with me...
 
How would you feel if instead FD had announced that for a better game quality, they had to scrap the online/multiplayer experience and only allow offline solo play in the spirit of the original game ? No refund of course, you got to enjoy the beta after all.
No use arguing with the smug ram, they simply don't give a damn about other people.
 
No use arguing with the smug ram, they simply don't give a damn about other people.
As a long time MMO player, I am sadly aware that pointless arguing and complaining on the forums is the inalienable right and sacred duty of the players. Since ED is now a MMO, I have to post :)
Also, it is oddly cathartic...
 
Thank you for posting Cmd Plissken. There are people here who claim that the "offliners" are just the "vocal minority". I feel the situation is quite the opossite. Many "offliners" may not even be aware of the news for the very same reason they want an offline game experience: they spend a lot of time offline.

I understand that you are only one, but this still proves that a group of silent "offliners" (of unknown size) is out there.

I'm not sure you read my full post. When I said "it was news to me". It was because I wasn't aware single player had gone. I'm still at a loss to understand where it's gone and what people are upset about. Far as every statement I've seen from Frontier says single player is still available.

I understand it was poorly communicated, that is probably the main reason for people being upset, but when the feature still exists and just now and again it'll sync to the main servers I don't get the issue.

Yes I get people feel "cheated" but remember we backed a development and in all developments you often have to make changes along the way. Happens all the time and sometimes if you focus too much on one feature you miss the overall goal of the project. In this case perfectly reasonable compromises have been made just poorly communicated.

In the 80's I used to spend hours on my BBC playing Elite after parents had gone to bed only to get up in the morning shattered for my paper round before going to school. I got through life quite happily for almost 30 years without Elite. I only backed this through nostalgia. I'll play it for what it is and if it works great - if not no big deal. It's just a game after all.

If I'm truthful when myself and one other backed the Kickstarter we looked at each at thought "There goes £xxx!". Neither of us had much confidence it would ever see the light of day. However it has an we're enjoying it.

However, at no point during beta have I thought "WOW - this is just like Elite on the BBC" and felt transported back to the 80's. It's just another space game with a few ships we know and a familiar radar. That is surely more of a concern than single player sync'ing up to online occasionally.
 
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So they (these offended backers) weren't actually interested in the game per se...just "offline mode"? All they want/care about is "offline mode"? They only backed the game for "offline mode"?

I'm really struggling to understand what all the drama is about.
Imagine that you are obliged to go and live somewhere, for work/family/other commitments, that has no internet access. The lack of internet access might be due to security, financial, or technical restrictions, but whatever the reason behind it, you won't be able to go online when you want for the entire duration of your stay. You will be stuck there for a long period of time. There will be boredom.

You have been a fan of Elite/Frontier/FFE for a number of years, and sci-fi games in general. You keep an eye out for Elite IV every so often, but the series seems about as likely to be revived as manufacturing of the Sinclair C5.

Then Chris Roberts goes and makes a load of money from Kickstarter. You are vaguely interested, although his brand of sci-fi was never really your thing. However, you now start to read something about Elite IV! You immediately go and find the Kickstarter page, read the fairly modest proposal being presented with a lot less flash than the Star Citizen campaign, and think that this oddly-named "Elite: Dangerous" will be a perfect diversion from the withdrawal symptoms (like intense boredom) that you will almost certainly feel when cut off from the internet.

You back the game in minutes, and start getting together a shopping list for a decent pile of hardware to play the game with.

Time passes... you have built your steroid PC for playing Elite. You downloaded the various versions, played them just enough to maintain anticipation but no more, and submitted support tickets when required like a good little tester. You have read the forum worrywarts talking about the game being boring and buggy, but have kept your faith that the game will be up to snuff when it is finally released.

You've read Newsletters #1-48 with mounting excitement.

The beta period is about to end, and you can't wait to sink your teeth into the gamma, and then the final release.

Then comes Newsletter 49.

"No offline mode". What? WHAT?!?! (Profanity filter engaged...)

And now it transpires that you can't even get a refund because you helped test the prototype, boring, bug-ridden, feature-free versions of the product? You, who were instrumental in getting the Kickstarter over the finish line (along with a bunch of other people)?

Perhaps you understand a bit better why some people are a bit annoyed, and have had their trust levels depleted somewhat?


Now, this is not my story (I have no intention of going where there's no internet, and my connection is rock-solid). It is similar to those I've seen (with some variations on the theme) on this forum ever since the Newsletter #49 was put up. I didn't used to think like this, but it does seem like Frontier should just pony up the refund cash as soon as they can afford to do so, and take the hit that might come from the odd fraudulent claim.

They will make the cash back, and then some, if the game is up to scratch.

If they deal with the refund issue based on an assumption that their backers are a bunch of con artists, it would look more like projection than realism.
 
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I find it fascinating that this thread is still growing, approaching 10,000 posts. Personally, if I really only pledged for an offline mode and wanted a discount, I would take it up with FD in the manner described above, and would be done with the game and the forums.

That is the plan. So far it failed. On with the thread!
 
No use arguing with the smug ram, they simply don't give a damn about other people.

Sad but true! The thing that annoys me even more then FD making fools out of us is that if the online mode was removed and off-line mode was kept I would be in as much of uproar as I am right now about off-line mode. Why you ask?!? Because I have no issues with supporting my brother and sister commanders and believe that we should NOT let FD get away with crap like this.

Even if we can assume that there were approximately 45,000 backers and if we assume that 30% are not happy with this change. That is still 13,500 people that are not happy! Direction FD is taking is going to lead them straight to bankruptcy. However this ends everyone of those 45,000 will have a sour taste in their mouths and will think twice next time they do anything with FD.
 
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