Powerplay Sol bubble Archer systems progress wiped

It will be interesting to see what PP2 looks like in one or two years. I don't see a lot of reasons for players to not join the winning team. Obviously having more systems in the bubble that give you your special benefits is an advantage. Combat oriented players might choose between Archer and ALD, but ALD is just the straight up better option. Extra bounty bonus on top, bigger player base, less enemies, way better location. The only reason to join Archer is "I kinda like the Federation and completely ignore that in lore he's portrayed like a cartoon villain".
I'm pretty sure Archer and ALD have identical bonuses.

I kinda feel you with the cartoon villain part, though - I don't know why Frontier's lore writers are dead set on characterizing Archer as the creepy surveillance guy.

It's almost funny when people leave us angry comments as if Archer's Elite lore is our fault - we learned Hudson would be replaced a week before 2.0 launch, on early access streams of all places.

I kind of miss our old T-1000 / Uncle Sam.
 
I kinda feel you with the cartoon villain part, though - I don't know why Frontier's lore writers are dead set on characterizing Archer as the creepy surveillance guy.
Hudson did go along with it and was turning a bit worse in his late career, to be fair, so he’s not that much clearer of any blame. And apparently Archer is something some people see appeal in for roleplay… Elite’s not exactly a hippy happy place anyhow.

On a side note (though still related), I might be reading the room wrong on the sentiments here but I don’t think Frontier purposely targeted the Federal/Archer powerplay sphere with their “Titan in Sol” event, it more just happens to be an unfortunate casualty of it that was relatively unavoidable for it to happen as a story element.

Perhaps they could refine the interactions a little to make it less of a binary on/off switch that immediately dumps what effort players put into things (like by allowing them to defend their holdings). But one way or another you always have the angle of “Other powers have an interest in either ignoring the mess for their own benefit later on, or to help defend the system [if Powerplay is removed on Thargoid invasion] so they can try claiming it faster if they have the option to”.

And there is a good chance someone will feel a hit when the next Thargoid wave arrives because it has to be placed somewhere. And it probably won’t be on the fringes of human space - I don’t see PP as an excuse for Thargoids to not do stuff that is inconvenient, especially when they have zero reason to care, narratively.
 
The Mahon op was totally legit and might have taught Mahon supporters that scouting their own systems was a good thing to do after all in PP1.
Wow, such a low blow to accuse the Alliance of slacking off on scouting, perhaps your memory of the time is fuzzy or perhaps you were not involved in any regular scouting at the time - the turmoil was done in a period station power updates were bugged and never showing held merits, so scouting was completely useless. The Mahon turmoil was entirely based on exploiting this bug and both Hudson and Winters did not mind at all to steal as many systems as possible from the resulting exploit-based turmoil.
 
Wow, such a low blow to accuse the Alliance of slacking off on scouting, perhaps your memory of the time is fuzzy or perhaps you were not involved in any regular scouting at the time - the turmoil was done in a period station power updates were bugged and never showing held merits, so scouting was completely useless. The Mahon turmoil was entirely based on exploiting this bug and both Hudson and Winters did not mind at all to steal as many systems as possible from the resulting exploit-based turmoil.
It was felt I think that if Mahon had been less complacent and also had scouted in open they would not have gotten caught. Everyone else was watching their systems like a hawk because of the UI bug, and pre-emptively forting iirc. That's probably the reason why Mahon was selected by Hudson. I think in Winters we had misgivings and felt we should have been consulted. But if you want exploit-driven, then Hudson losing 41 control bubbles due to four weeks of false flag blanket fortification of his systems as "revenge" for the Mahon turmoil is where you want to look.
 
So ZYADA is actually ZYADAN. That sounds like there is not much point to powerplay.
As I say, it's not that simple, and I was talking about the more outspoken members of their leadership. Kaine has a complex power supporter group that is the coming together of a wide range of participants. I'm not even convinced the majority of Kaine supporters have any major animus toward the Federation. And many of Kaine foes we encounter are there for a good contest in open play, without any great malice or bitterness involved on their part. The jury is very much still out for me on how to view them.
 
Why would that be a problem though? It's like PP was paused for these systems for the Thargoid war and resumed afterwards. It's the only option that doesn't penalize anybody.
Another option would have been for FDev to coordinate PP 2.0 launch and rebalance with the final Thargoid event.

However, they couldn't move the Thargoid event, because you can't move when Christmas happens in Cambridge, England.

So when PP 2.0 moved to later in the year than originally planned, we ended up with this collision. Which leaves you with the option taken as the best available, by elimination, I agree - but another option would be for FDev to stop making these exact same mistakes with every single major release.

I'm not saying this to make a pedantic point, I am just pointing out that everyone here discussing what perfect game design would look like is discussing what FDev might have done if PP 2.0 was on time, but it was not, and that's caused a LOT of the fallout here, including the fact the bugs have stuck and there's zero communication about them.
 
It's more complicated than that, but that is broadly so. Kaine is the new Alliance power only 2 months old but leadership positions are occupied by people who left ZYADA leadership to join Kaine, and by people from the Alliance, all of whom hold grudges against the Federation. Being placed next door to Winters, Kaine has embarked on a campaign against us, hoping for easy victory due to us already being outnumbered in the long-running war against the ZYADA.
Nothing to do at all with the Winters bubble on our doorstep of course.

Once again: We have objectives, you are standing in the way of these objectives. That is all.
Lime Green Old Worlds. That's the goal. Big Winters boil there, that gotta go.

Other comments here are also interesting, Ian Doncaster stating that "we have no intention of fighting another power" Well, technically true: Winters has disputed territory with us, Mahon is Friendly, ZYADA are non hostile. Everyone else is out of range/not sharing a border.

Novarek's comments re our friendliness with Imperials due to the Marlinist war is mathematically incorrect. 2 years, not 1. We do have friendliness therefore with some Imp factions, but really none involved with PP. It's more "They are not our problem, cool". Ultimately, we are "The Old Worlds" power. So leaning into that.
 
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Depends if they buy into Fed propaganda or just look at the map...

What was it you called us earlier? I added it to the list.

Here we go: "Just another puppet used against the Federation".

Your words.

Here are mine, as one of EKs leadership team: "We are the Old Worlds Powerplay Faction. Our goals are a lime green Old Worlds".

Only one thing stands in the way of that. I invite anyone to look at the Powerplay map, and check the distance of Asetsi to Tionisla, and see for themselves what that thing is. Better to show someone than have them take my word for it.

I do have some sympathy for Team Archer, in dealing with hand of Fdev, goids and all that. Likewise as Kaine have no borders with Archer, or any dog in the Imperial-Fed war that is engulfing Sol, we will not be involved. We are watching with popcorn however.
 
What was it you called us earlier? I added it to the list.
you guys have book of grudges? for a forum post? that you really kinda took out of context
As I say, it's not that simple, and I was talking about the more outspoken members of their leadership. Kaine has a complex power supporter group that is the coming together of a wide range of participants. I'm not even convinced the majority of Kaine supporters have any major animus toward the Federation. And many of Kaine foes we encounter are there for a good contest in open play, without any great malice or bitterness involved on their part. The jury is very much still out for me on how to view them.
and then kinda confirmed
Winters has disputed territory with us, Mahon is Friendly, ZYADA are non hostile. Everyone else is out of range/not sharing a border.


you might or might not have some links to the powers, but when there is a group of powers that are targeting me, and you join the attack (albeit from your own, noble, reasons), you are adding yourself to the attacking group of powers regardless of any diplomatic ties you might be having between yourselves. you might even call it a special military operation and not adress it as a war if you would want to.
 
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