The Open v Solo v Groups thread

[Darrack]

where do you get that percentage from ? if you played excusively in open you are bound to have seen another player ... unless the game is dead or everyone is in solo

You, me the space Dogo under my desk agreed that the risk in Open was 1% (chance of seeing another CMDR), so 99% of the time you wont see anyone.

O7

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

where do you get that percentage from ? if you played excusively in open you are bound to have seen another player ... unless the game is dead or everyone is in solo

Or playing in another time zone, or a different instance, or you're behind a CGNAT and have borked instancing anyway or... there's so many things that prevent you from instancing with who you might think you need to instance with that it's not even funny anymore that the "I need a direct opponent to counter their actions" spiel is still coming up. Fighting for resources and territory is, after all, a bucket filling game.

 

[Barnabis Bananas]

And that's where we circle back to: This is not a PvP driven game, never was, never will be. If you want a (symmetrical) PvP dominated game, you need to look elsewhere instead of taking away the existing one from other players.

does powerplay exist in the game ? can players pledge to warring factions in powerplay ? can that powerplay decide who owns what and where ? then it's PVP driven ... unless you play in solo

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

does powerplay exist in the game ? can players pledge to warring factions in powerplay ? can that powerplay decide who owns what and where ? then it's PVP driven ... unless you play in solo

Yes, yes, yes, and no, and no. Technically PP and the BGS are still PvP, but the kind where you don't need a direct opponent - it's asymmetrical PvP. Asymmetrical PvP doesn't need open.

 

[Barnabis Bananas]

Or playing in another time zone, or a different instance, or you're behind a CGNAT and have borked instancing anyway or... there's so many things that prevent you from instancing with who you might think you need to instance with that it's not even funny anymore that the "I need a direct opponent to counter their actions" spiel is still coming up. Fighting for resources and territory is, after all, a bucket filling game.

do you have something against having to earn the right to shape a game's world ?

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

do you have something against having to earn the right to shape a game's world ?

yes.

 

[Darrack]

then it's PVP driven

How can it be PvP driven when you cant find anyone? If it was meant as a PvP activity it would have been made Open only in PP2.
It wasn't.

O7

 

[Barnabis Bananas]

Yes, yes, yes, and no, and no. Technically PP and the BGS are still PvP, but the kind where you don't need a direct opponent - it's asymmetrical PvP. Asymmetrical PvP doesn't need open.

there is no PVP anywhere but in open

 

[Doctor Dread]

do you have something against having to earn the right to shape a game's world ?

No, we all earned that right by purchasing ED.

There it clearly said: all mods are equal. But you haven't read the fine print.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

there is no PVP anywhere but in open

I think you're mistaken there.

 

[Barnabis Bananas]

How can it be PvP driven when you cant find anyone? If it was meant as a PvP activity it would have been made Open only in PP2.
It wasn't.

O7

Fdev are scared to make that change , they said they're considering it

 

[Darrack]

there is no PVP anywhere but in open

There is no PvP in Open, that's why we have 193 pages of whining.

O7

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

they said they're considering it

Is it the same consideration as "not at launch" for other things? I think you don't really know what that means in developer speak.

 

[TiberiusDuval]

then i'm after that system too , the game is galaxy domination i want all the systems and other people don't want me to have all the systems so what do we do ? WE FIGHT FOR THEM FACE TO FACE

Mechanics does not reward you on that. All the time you keep hunting targets others keep doing what ever is needet to expand their dominion or strengthen their controll. Thats the rules of game. You have wrong game.

 

[Darrack]

they said they're considering it

Kate said the same, im not holding out much hope especially if she's on her way round to Doctor Dreads.

O7

 

[Barnabis Bananas]

I think you're mistaken there.

your friendly PG13 (couldn't resist making that joke ) isn't something that should be shaping a galaxy
open world PVP is trying to prevent the other guy from doing something you don't want done

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

Kate said the same, im not holding out much hope especially if she's on her way round to Doctor Dreads.

Kate is not available right now.

 

[TiberiusDuval]

there is no PVP anywhere but in open

Of course there is. You can always make pvp PG, and just select who you want in it.

 

[Darrack]

open world PVP is trying to prevent the other guy from doing something you don't want done

Good luck with that, ive proved that doesn't work.

O7

 

[Rat Catcher]

look at this scenario : you go to PMF system you do missions that lower their influence , they try to stop you , you use your magic block button to make them unable to stop you from ruining their work
you're like attacking someone else's save file without repercussions

Hard life, innit?

"Attacking someone else's save file" is very dramatic, well done!