What are the options available now if we need to setup an alt account to play a second CMDR character?

I was a beta backer so my original account was setup with the initial game downloaded from Frontiers' website some 11 years ago. Seems like it's not possible to have a second account running from Steam, (pretty certain it used to be once).

I was not presented with any option to run my new Steam downloaded version of the game from scratch and seperately from my original CMDR account, with the creation of a brand new CMDR character, which is what I need to do right now in order to go through the motions of the new player experience, and for important roleplay/journal writing reasons.

Also when going through the motions of buying the game a second time from Frontiers' site, the 'buy game' button just links directly back to Steam to buy there now.

Is it only possible if I setup a second Steam account, with a differrent email address, and make a new purchase of the game that way?

Or does Steam also not allow the same person with the same details, even though they are using a distinct email address to setup a second Steam account? I've never tried this before so IDK.

Am I actually going to need to buy a second gaming PC to run a second Steam account? Is it really that bad?
 
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Use a different email address though. I had to get frontier to link my alt I bought during sale to a different email after I stupidly used the same email.
 
Problem is I already linked my secondary email address to Frontier when trying to get the Steam account setup, so it won't let me use the address to setup a second Frontier account. Should I call on the devs to have them unlink my secondary email now? Because I really don't want to have to setup yet another email address. My secondary email which isn't a general purpose web-based Gmail account is actually technically my business address, which is accessed from an email client, and I would prefer to use it for this purpose.
 
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You could open a ticket, that's what I did and they fixed it for me, but that was a few years ago and I'm not sure how quickly opening a support ticket will get it fixed these days. But that's the correct thing to do if you want to need the email accounts changed for an account, in my experience.

 
Or just buy the 2nd account from the epic games store. The.main thing is to use a different email address. This way you can definitely run both accounts at the same time, on the same PC.
 
You could open a ticket, that's what I did and they fixed it for me, but that was a few years ago and I'm not sure how quickly opening a support ticket will get it fixed these days. But that's the correct thing to do if you want to need the email accounts changed for an account, in my experience.

Yeah I've filed a ticket for this. Hopefully it won't be too long before FDEV can unlink my secondary business email address from my first Frontier account so I can use it to set up a fresh account. Am I right in assuming that I will be able to log in/out of each account in the launcher? It does appear that this is possible, so long as the name on each account is slightly differrent. Or is switching between accounts less convienient than that?
 
May I ask the elephant in the room: can using multiple accounts be considered an exploit, risking a player ban?
If so, is it clearly officially mentioned anywhere, what is or not allowed to do?
Dual logging for the purposes of gaining extra pips is often considered an exploit though I'm not aware of anyone getting banned for it.
I have considered dual logging for the purposes of loading carriers but never got around to setting up the requirements and the moment passes.
 
May I ask the elephant in the room: can using multiple accounts be considered an exploit, risking a player ban?
If so, is it clearly officially mentioned anywhere, what is or not allowed to do?
I really need to get a second account setup to go through the process of starting up a new player for research purposes, and so I can start writing on his new Inara account a series of log entries chronicling my new CMDR's early experiences, having just joined up with my original CMDR's squadron. This is becuase I have no friends who want to join up with my squadron, so only my second alt account CMDR can currently join my single player Squadron. This isn't about exploiting, it's for the game. ;)
 
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Dual logging for the purposes of gaining extra pips is often considered an exploit though I'm not aware of anyone getting banned for it.
I have considered dual logging for the purposes of loading carriers but never got around to setting up the requirements and the moment passes.
the extra pip....how can it be an exploit? it is working as intended. (it's a stupid gamey mechanic and I never liked it but it is what it is)
 
Yeah I've filed a ticket for this. Hopefully it won't be too long before FDEV can unlink my secondary business email address from my first Frontier account so I can use it to set up a fresh account. Am I right in assuming that I will be able to log in/out of each account in the launcher? It does appear that this is possible, so long as the name on each account is slightly differrent. Or is switching between accounts less convienient than that?
You can have a desktop shortcut for each login so no need to manually change the login details each time, that's how I used to have it setup although I haven't done it recently.

I really need to get a second account setup to go through the process of starting up a new player for research purposes, and so I can start writing on his new Inara account a series of log entries chronicling my new CMDR's early experiences, having just joined up with my original CMDR's squadron. This is becuase I have no friends who want to join up with my squadron, so only my second alt account CMDR can currently join my single player Squadron. This isn't about exploiting, it's for the game. ;)
Yeah, there's no problem having multiple accounts and just using them separately.
 
the extra pip....how can it be an exploit? it is working as intended. (it's a stupid gamey mechanic and I never liked it but it is what it is)
To get the extra PD pip I would need to be running a second gaming PC at the same time, consuming twice the electrical power, at least another >120W with it's GPU. This is absolutely out of the question, as I am an energy conservationalizationist. I have a wattmeter setup to monitor my desktop power consumption and it currently reads 22.65KWh after just 17 days of playing Elite more frequently now.

Before I got back to playing the game the other month I was only using my office machine which just uses <30W including the monitor, so just a handfull of kilowatt hours per month for my desktop power use. Since coming back to playing the game my household energy consumption has more than doubled from averaging around 1KWh/day to 2KWh/day.

Maybe I should consider getting solar panels?:ROFLMAO:
 
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To get the extra PD pip I would need to be running a second gaming PC at the same time, consuming twice the electrical power, at least another >120W with it's GPU. This is absolutely out of the question, as I am an energy conservationalist. I have a wattmeter setup to monitor my desktop power consumption and it currently reads 22.65KWh after just 17 days of playing Elite more frequently now.

Before I got back to playing the game the other month I was only using my office machine which just uses <30W including the monitor, so just a handfull of kilowatt hours per month for my desktop power use. Since coming back to playing the game my household energy consumption has more than doubled from averaging around 1KWh/day to 2KWh/day.

Maybe I should consider getting solar panels?:ROFLMAO:
lol i keep meaning to do it, not because of the pip but because i want to see other characters in my ship. i guess at the same time i could give my lad some credits not that he is remotely interestedi nthe game (yet) maybe one day!.
if i did i would run it on my steamdeck so negligable energy costs.

it is a bit of a faff with multiple accounts on pc. it was far easier on console however you are stuck with the old version if you do that.

as for solar panels.... if you are not moving house in the next 5 years do it! its a total no brainer... its also addictive, i got them in 2021 along with house battery.

i now have 2 EVs and even charging both those and with gas heated hot water my May energy bill was MINUS £7 - and that is in England!.

my system cost £8500 and is pretty mediocre by todays standards but will pay for itself easily within 7 years and even if i did have to sell up will add value to the property.
 
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the extra pip....how can it be an exploit? it is working as intended. (it's a stupid gamey mechanic and I never liked it but it is what it is)
To get the extra PD pip I would need to be running a second gaming PC at the same time, consuming twice the electrical power, at least another >120W with it's GPU. This is absolutely out of the question, as I am an energy conservationalist. I have a wattmeter setup to monitor my desktop power consumption and it currently reads 22.65KWh after just 17 days of playing Elite more frequently now.

Before I got back to playing the game the other month I was only using my office machine which just uses <30W including the monitor, so just a handfull of kilowatt hours per month for my desktop power use. Since coming back to playing the game my household energy consumption has more than doubled from averaging around 1KWh/day to 2-3KWh/day.

Maybe I should consider getting solar panels?
lol i keep meaning to do it, not because of the pip but because i want to see other characters in my ship. i guess at the same time i could give my lad some credits not that he is remotely interestedi nthe game (yet) maybe one day!.
if i did i would run it on my steamdeck so negligable energy costs.

it is a bit of a faff with multiple accounts on pc. it was far easier on console however you are stuck with the old version if you do that.

as for solar panels.... if you are not moving house in the next 5 years do it! its a total no brainer... its also addictive, i got them in 2021 along with house battery.

i now have 2 EVs and even charging both those and with gas heated hot water my May energy bill was MINUS £7 - and that is in England!.

my system cost £8500 and is pretty mediocre by todays standards but will pay for itself easily within 7 years and even if i did have to sell up will add value to the property.
Yeah OK, but it's not just about the financial investment where one has to break even. It's also the initial sheer cost of energy invested in manufacturing solar panels and EV's. Like you said it's about 7 years for you to break even financially, but probably a few more years for the energy break-even point to be reached especailly for EV's with large batteries. How long do you think your EV will go before you need to replace the battery or, trade the car in for a new one? Most people don't keep new cars for much longer than 7 years, and wear and tear is even higher now that most manufacturers are designing stuff with very short-lived obsolescence in mind.

Some of the other problems with panels if you have a lot of roof space and are feeding your excess production to the grid with your tarriff is: 1. You typically only get half wholesale value for the electricity. And 2: Small scale domestic solar facilities are a PITA to manage for the engineers who are running the grid, and your output will often just get switched out for grid smoothing reasons, meaning you are likely often over-producing power that isn't going to get used after your domestic battery has been topped-up. Depends on where you live, what your household uses, and what the demand for electricity nation-wide is at that particular time.

Panels are best left to large scale facilities IMHO, where they can be better managed by the grid engineers, as grid smoothing is a difficult problem to solve, with practical storage solutions not being very economic right now. For example, here in the UK we don't have much potential real estate for pumped storage like they do out in China (unless people don't mind the governemnt blasting gigantic holes out of the top of Scottish mountains that are positioned next to lochs), so storing up energy that has been produced intermittently from wind and solar isn't very practical, which makes wind and solar energy less practical as the engineers have to dial up or down our combined cycle gas turbine plants when solar/wind output increases or decreases, and those plants get even less efficient when not operating at full capacity.

I suppose right now, for most people it's down to what things cost to invest in financially, so if you are definitely off-grid or semi-off-grid with no gas inlet then panels/batteries/heat pump combo is OK, and for small domestic systems so long as you aren't over-producing electricity and your panels are just supplying your home usage, and you have the money to invest initially it's still viable. But very costly up-front.

Personaly I won't be bothering with panels for my current home, as I am on-grid, have a gas inlet for hot water, heating and cooking, and I don't have the money to invest in solar, nor the need for a heat pump. But other households are differrent, sometimes only having electricity, and everybody has differrent needs, with every country having differrent energy grid setups, so I'm not totally against panels for domestic use when on-grid, and not totally against the use of EV's as they can draw their energy from a very wide range of sources, not just mineral oil or biofuels. But those batteries aren't cheap to manufacture remember, and a lot of diesel goes into mining the raw materials to make them, let alone the cost of coal-based energy that China uses that goes into those factories to factor in. So they certainly aren't emission-free, and shouldn't be considered so.
 
its totally OT to this thread so i really should not take OT even more however this is important imo. there are a lot of half truths and daily express anti EV FUD above.

it takes roughly 17,000 miles for the added environmental impact of manufacturing an EV to be offset, beyond that break even point its all in the EVs favour and as the grid is continually getting cleaner that will only improve. even making and running an EV using coal produced electricity is better than buying a brand new a diesel / petrol car.

battery life in EVs - ok some can fail, like anything but usually the battery will outlive the car. gen 1 nissan leafs did degrade a lot for various reasons which is why gutter press like the express/mail etc usually use them as examples of why battery EVs fail... but its not an issue any more.
my car has ..... i think its 56,000 miles on the clock and is still within well under 20 miles of what it could do when brand new (regularly i get 240 miles out of it, and it can manage 260+ miles in ideal scenarios, its claimed mileage is 285iirc but that is "fake" anyway. very few EVs ever get their rated range. it is just under 5 years old and i have zero plans to sell any time soon, i plan to still own it way beyond its battery warranty period of 8 years.
There is far less to go wrong in an EV, the brakes may last the life of the car (i barely ever use the brakes due to regen) and (touch wood etc) in all my time owning the car the only thing i have replaced is 1 set of tyres
as for over production of solar, that could be an issue but is where smart charging comes in.... at least one of our cars are often sat unused at home so plug it in and if the grid gets to the point of too much excess it smart charges. EVs are not green.... no car is but they are far far better than petrol or diesel. Dont forget there are a hell of a lot of energy expended refining and then delivering fossil fuels, and petrol/diesel are incredibly inefficient at operating a car as a fuel. unlike the cobalt in ICE vehicles, when used in a battery it is recyclable and is optional, (if you dont want it you can go cobalt free) there is no getting away from the cobalt used in ICE vehicles and that isnt recyclable either.

There are plenty of logistical reasons why EVs dont work for some when looking to replace their car (horrendous public charging prices outside of tesla for a start, and Teslas are not for everyone these days thanks to Musk going a bit bonkers) but battery degradation or environmental concerns should not be one of them.
 
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its totally OT to this thread so i really should not take OT even more however this is important imo. there are a lot of half truths and daily express anti EV FUD above.

it takes roughly 17,000 miles for the added environmental impact of manufacturing an EV to be offset, beyond that break even point its all in the EVs favour and as the grid is continually getting cleaner that will only improve. even making and running an EV using coal produced electricity is better than running a diesel / petrol car.

battery life in EVs - ok some can fail, like anything but usually the battery will outlive the car. gen 1 nissan leafs did degrade a lot for various reasons which is why gutter press like the express/mail etc usually use them as examples of why battery EVs fail... but its not an issue any more.
my car has ..... i think its 56,000 miles on the clock and is still within well under 20 miles of what it could do when brand new (regularly i get 240 miles out of it, and it can manage 260+ miles in ideal scenarios, its claimed mileage is 285iirc but that is "fake" anyway. very few EVs ever get their rated range. it is just under 5 years old and i have zero plans to sell any time soon, i plan to still own it way beyond its battery warranty period of 8 years.
There is far less to go wrong in an EV, the brakes may last the life of the car (i barely ever use the brakes due to regen) and (touch wood etc) in all my time owning the car the only thing i have replaced is 1 set of tyres
as for over production of solar, that could be an issue but is where smart charging comes in.... at least one of our cars are often sat unused at home so plug it in and if the grid gets to the point of too much excess it smart charges. EVs are not green.... no car is but they are far far better than petrol or diesel. Dont forget there are a hell of a lot of energy expended refining and then delivering fossil fuels, and ICE vehicles are incredibly inefficient at operating a car. unlike the cobalt in ICE vehicles that used in a battery is recyclable and is optional, (if you dont want it you can go cobalt free) there is no getting away from the cobalt used in ICE vehicles and that isnt recyclable either.
I don't bother much with newspapers, they are mostly full of crap. MSM and alternative media is so full of crap, so I get my news from Google search when I want to learn things.

The cobalt issue is a problem though, it's a highly toxic material and 'Artisan Mining' isn't as romantic as it sounds. I'm sure there are probably videos on Youtube that document that occupation. But there are a lot of other jobs that are just as bad, and just as hazardous, and exploitation of workers in poorer developing countries isn't anything new, and neither will it ever go away unfortunately, that's just how the world is.

Yeah wildly OT here now, but as you said these are still important issues that often aren't very well understood by Joe public as many do get their news from the Daily Mail. Hopefully not too many people here on these forums though, I would like to think...
 
I just got a reply from FDEV support stating that I had correctly setup a second Frontier account with the new email address anyway, and that all I need to do is log in with the second account email address through the initial Frontier page. So I've done this, and purchased my second copy of the game now. Panic over.
 
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