Clearly you have never experienced 3D vision, it works great, trine, outlast, max payne all look brilliant in 3d vision. Perhaps you have an eye condition that stops you seeing the 3D effect.
Nvidia 3D Vision
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Clearly you have never experienced 3D vision, it works great, trine, outlast, max payne all look brilliant in 3d vision. Perhaps you have an eye condition that stops you seeing the 3D effect.
i thought 3d vision implementation was down to nvidia rather than the game developers?
I dare say either can take responsibility.
I'm sure if contacted NVidia would be happy to offer support and advice but at the end of the day the developer needs to implement the feature in their graphics engine.
Oh yes it does...
Do you have a problem with seeing 3D?
I have a Nvidia 3D Screen and I have made my own 3D images that can be viewed with the shutter glasses. It does work for me.
I have also taken a SBS video of Elite and converted it to a format that can be viewed in 3D on my machine.
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You can force Nvidia's 3D Vision Compatiblity Mode on this game which fixes the shadow-shading problems caused with normal 3D Vision but - depending on your personal preferations - can decrease the quality of 3D and cause smaller artifacts in your cockpit.
For those interested in trying it out yourself:
Use Nvidia Inspector to remove EliteDangerous32.exe from it's "Elite Dangerous"-Profile and add it to the "Battlefield 4"-Profile as this one has Compatiblity Mode enabled.
You could also try any other Compatiblity Mode enabled Profile like Assassin's Creed 3 as it might alter the quality of 3D.
If you are using SLI you also need to copy-over the SLI Compatiblity Bits.
It doesn't fit my needs so far and proper 3D Vision would be an massive difference but maybe someone wants to play around with it.
I wonder why Frontier doesn't put any efforts into it as from what I can see and tell it shouldn't be very hard to fix the quiet minor issues 3D Vision currently has.
For those interested in trying it out yourself:
Use Nvidia Inspector to remove EliteDangerous32.exe from it's "Elite Dangerous"-Profile and add it to the "Battlefield 4"-Profile as this one has Compatiblity Mode enabled.
You could also try any other Compatiblity Mode enabled Profile like Assassin's Creed 3 as it might alter the quality of 3D.
If you are using SLI you also need to copy-over the SLI Compatiblity Bits.
It doesn't fit my needs so far and proper 3D Vision would be an massive difference but maybe someone wants to play around with it.
I wonder why Frontier doesn't put any efforts into it as from what I can see and tell it shouldn't be very hard to fix the quiet minor issues 3D Vision currently has.
I have no problem seeing 2D pictures/video pretending to mimic 3D.
Real 3D (so you have a reference) is what you see when not looking at your TV or monitor.
Real 3D (so you have a reference) is what you see when not looking at your TV or monitor.
I have to strongly disagree with you on this one .. i was trying out the inbuilt side by side 3D on my brothers computer the other day and it is astonishing, it makes coming home and playing on my Non-3D screen seem bland .. And going by how fantastic a job FD have done with the side by side 3D .. I can only imagine how incredible the Occ Rift must be.
Arguments like these are often seen given by the (sadly not so rare) people not being able to perceive proper (artificial) 3D.
Human brains work differently, some find 3D really immersive, other's feel unhealthy about it and some can't perceive it at all.
It's like the typical discussion about 30, 60, 120 or 144 FPS. Many can't see a difference between 60 and 120 FPS, some can't even see a difference between 30 and 60 FPS and some people with knowledge from the last millenia always come up with the "The Human Eye can't see more than 25/30 FPS anyway".
Both topics heavily depend on your individual human body and preferations, so it's not helpful if someone with "handicaps" aka "lower needs" tries to argument badly about stuff they can't perceive at all.
Human brains work differently, some find 3D really immersive, other's feel unhealthy about it and some can't perceive it at all.
It's like the typical discussion about 30, 60, 120 or 144 FPS. Many can't see a difference between 60 and 120 FPS, some can't even see a difference between 30 and 60 FPS and some people with knowledge from the last millenia always come up with the "The Human Eye can't see more than 25/30 FPS anyway".
Both topics heavily depend on your individual human body and preferations, so it's not helpful if someone with "handicaps" aka "lower needs" tries to argument badly about stuff they can't perceive at all.
Muzzel, you know me too well.
Having tried the rift I was quite amazed, this is acceptable for given technology to my mind.
Please bear in mind that 3D has only seen the improvement is has seen over the years because people like myself would and will not accept what they offer us. Therefore we don't buy the products and it disappears underground again for several years. After further developments it is once again presented with all the fanfare, each time there are fans who think it is great, but as usual after a while the majority still reject it, so we see its decline (its been heading that way now for the past 18 months). It is never good enough, to accept having to wear the glasses when compared to other viewing options. The last time it was pushed upon the public it was rejected, this time we are at HD moving to 4K, the other options to view move in development also, 3D will need to make a HUGE leap not only to equal but to exceed other viewing options.
Now the Rift, already leaps and bounds ahead of 3D. 3D is a technology that has and now, will never reach is potential. Its like the mini disc, only difference is 3D never learned to lie down and die.
Having tried the rift I was quite amazed, this is acceptable for given technology to my mind.
Please bear in mind that 3D has only seen the improvement is has seen over the years because people like myself would and will not accept what they offer us. Therefore we don't buy the products and it disappears underground again for several years. After further developments it is once again presented with all the fanfare, each time there are fans who think it is great, but as usual after a while the majority still reject it, so we see its decline (its been heading that way now for the past 18 months). It is never good enough, to accept having to wear the glasses when compared to other viewing options. The last time it was pushed upon the public it was rejected, this time we are at HD moving to 4K, the other options to view move in development also, 3D will need to make a HUGE leap not only to equal but to exceed other viewing options.
Now the Rift, already leaps and bounds ahead of 3D. 3D is a technology that has and now, will never reach is potential. Its like the mini disc, only difference is 3D never learned to lie down and die.
The only reason you perceive the world in Real 3D (as you call it) is because you have two eyes and each sees the world from a slightly different perspective, your brain then uses these two images to infer the depth and scale and distance of objects.
3D Vision does exactly the same thing by rendering the game world from two slightly different perspectives and then making sure each eye sees only that image (through active shutter glasses). There is functionally no difference from a stereoscopic point of view between this and what happens in real life, its exactly the same mental process which is creating the sense of depth, which is why the effect is so striking, especially in video games.
The rift and 3d Vision are doing exactly the same thing the only difference is the rift straps the monitor to your face and provides head tracking while 3d vision makes use of your existing monitor and does not provide head tracking. Both techs are cool and use the same effect to create the sense of depth and scale, each has pros and cons.
yep.
It would be nice if FD would fix the 3d for people like myself who do use 3d Vision.
Yes I take your point, worth making as many do not realise the way the human brain interprets what we see, for example if we did not have something called permanence of vision, viewing any monitor would be extremely uncomfortable for any human and indeed impossible for some. What we see is our brains interpretation of the light it receives, this is a whole new ball game. Seeing is not believing.
As I previously say , I can see the "proper (artificial) 3D" , remember those 2D 3D pictures, loved them, but it will always be "proper (artificial)" 3D. For me it is just not good enough. 3D has its last bastion of retreat in the gaming industry, it will never reach nor be accepted by the majority of traditional entertainment consumers. Many of the latest adds for TV's on TV don't even bother to mention they are 3D capable, why, because it is not something the majority of consumers could care less about, a novelty at best.
As I previously say , I can see the "proper (artificial) 3D" , remember those 2D 3D pictures, loved them, but it will always be "proper (artificial)" 3D. For me it is just not good enough. 3D has its last bastion of retreat in the gaming industry, it will never reach nor be accepted by the majority of traditional entertainment consumers. Many of the latest adds for TV's on TV don't even bother to mention they are 3D capable, why, because it is not something the majority of consumers could care less about, a novelty at best.
WeirdWizard, you are missing that with the rift periphery vision is cut off, when viewing on a monitor it is still present, your eyes can see it therefore your brain will try to interpret it, this causes problems for everybody to a lesser or greater extent, whether it is felt or realised.
What is pushed or marketed to the consumer as acceptable as 3D is not acceptable for the price they expect charge. 3D is not and never will be a valid reason to upgrade any tech, despite what the industry tries to persuade us that that, is what we want.
What is pushed or marketed to the consumer as acceptable as 3D is not acceptable for the price they expect charge. 3D is not and never will be a valid reason to upgrade any tech, despite what the industry tries to persuade us that that, is what we want.
The first thing I did after GIVING BACK the Oculus Rift that I have borrowed from a friend (and crying because, in all honestly, Oculus still has a couple of years ahead) I've put my 3D Vision glasses on being sure that it will work. But no, it did not. I was surprised and disappointed. I still am. It is like having an awesomely affordable toy which I cannot use with one of the most, well, deserving products on the market.
I really hope it is not a business decision but a priority one. Messing with all that rendering order can be messy, I guess...
I really hope it is not a business decision but a priority one. Messing with all that rendering order can be messy, I guess...
Well I've not tried the OR but I doubt they have 160 degree fov to completely fill peripheral vision and the same effect can be achieved with 3d vision by sitting in a dark room.
My 3d glasses cost me about £100 3 years ago, they rank as one of the best value to time used high tech items I own. The only real problems with 3D Vision are you need to wear the glasses (which you quickly get used to) and it does take a while for your eyes to adapt to using it at first but soon enough it becomes second nature.
Anyway you've obviously made up your mind about 3d tv, movies and games and nothing I can say here is going to change it, that's fine, I'm sure a lot of folks thought colour tv wouldn't catch on or HD would never be mainstream or the world would never need more than a few computers. Thankfully the world moves on without them
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Though I see 3D or a representation of it, it is impossible to ascertain if I can see it as well as others. Could well be that I never find it acceptable. Buy hey! for me even at this stage, though two completely different products from different manufacturers and both still in development, the rift works or me. When CV is out and ED is released it should get much better.