One Simple suggestion that could nullify the Solo/Open argument AND end the fear of Greifing
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But nothing is being abused. Like it or not, this is how the game is meant to be played. Players having the choice to play how they want, when they want and with whoever they want. I'm sorry if this does not sit well with your sensibilities regarding gaming but this is what ED is. All about choice.
I don't really bother but; If ED was all about choices, Why can't I choose to inflate my ingame credits so I can play the anaconda? Or go set up my own little outpost orbiting a black hole in the far end of the univers?
I fail to see the evidence behind your "ED is all about choices"
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Flamebaiting....lol.
I started video gaming when it was called "pong". Look it up!
This thread is for people interested in playing with others. It's only much ado about nothing for those who insist on playing alone.
Ehh. Too many NPCs vs too few players. Might as well be trying to find a flee on an elephants ass.... a mutated elephant spliced with a rancor then genetically engineered to be 800 feet tall. That's how many npcs are compared to players.
There is another point that people often overlook. Its not the fear of PvP or being ganked. Its quite simply that some people don't want to PvP at all. Such people, you will never get into open simply because without some sort of PvP consent mechanism (which also isn't likely to happen) there is still a chance of PvP.
Personally i have no interest in fighting other players, i find NPCs a reasonable challenge, and i'm simply not interested in sticking my foot into open even if the game disguised me as an NPC and had a flashing NPC icon on the top of my head.
Thankfully we have solo and group play, so i get to play the game the way i want, and when i play group, other players are nicely visible to me so i know when to stop and say hello.
Personally i have no interest in fighting other players, i find NPCs a reasonable challenge, and i'm simply not interested in sticking my foot into open even if the game disguised me as an NPC and had a flashing NPC icon on the top of my head.
Thankfully we have solo and group play, so i get to play the game the way i want, and when i play group, other players are nicely visible to me so i know when to stop and say hello.
Hurricane Moon
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lol
i think a lot of us older gamers that were around when the original game was out dont like online.for me i play a game to be god and be my own master.
i dont like the idea of some loud mouthed jerk blowing me out of the sky with no warning or reasons.....im not against online gaming if it makes people happy.
so i am currently sticking to solo...the only thing that can possibly make me go online is if i had a group of mates to play with.like a bit of security i suppose.
should i not be scared of online? when i see another human in a online game it gives me the same vibe as if someone was standing right in my face (aura) breaks my fantasy.
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daan2002
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this indeed !!!! if i want to pvp i will go play eveonline i got this game because of how big it is and i dont have to worry about some kamikaze player
Eh, in terms of immersion, it will likely have to be an agree to disagree thing. x3 When the message content makes it clear that the person is just considering themselves as a guy playing a videogame, my brain sort of goes 'Yeah, okay, back to reality I guess! u.u '
Anyway, I do see what you're saying with regards to the risks in multiplayer faltering, and I do agree. However, the solution isn't the removal of solo mode, because you're basically tapping an incompatible resource. As I said, not only will players who are there out of disinterest for multiplayer continue to have that disinterest, but this game is in a fairly unique position of offering plenty of options to avoid it completely, even in Open Mode. Now, MAYBE they won't get phenomenally ticked off at having the last sliver of the original thing they backed taken away, (a single player experience,) to the point of leaving the game altogether, if not demanding a refund. And MAYBE they won't immediately hurl themselves into the depths of space in hermithood. And MAYBE, during their brief trial run around other players, they will find it's not so bad, (though with the less enthusiastic ones, you know it's just going to take ONE jackass blowing up their T7 full of Gold to make them go hermit, given the loss is literally in the millions.) But at the end of the day, what little portion remains after all those eliminating factors are taken into account won't be enough to save or doom the game one way or another.
I think a focus should be made on creating positive, social experiences outside combat that can lure in players. You have to admit, though one doesn't HAVE to shoot people, there isn't much to do beyond shooting other players, or chatting with other players. The latter can be done here in the forum, generally with greater eloquence and descriptive language than brief messages that might be typed in between maneuvers. From what I've heard, even trying co-opping instanced battles is buggy and unreliable for some people when they try playing together. If they can get a move on in terms of ship and station interiors, it would help, giving a common meeting place for players.
Also, one thing Eve did very well was developing an underlying metagame. Player created, run and developed factors, with clashes for power and politics, facilitated by mechanics designed to ALLOW far greater player cohesion than we currently have. If ever they made it possible for groups of players to claim uncharted territory in the unexplored galaxy, securing systems and planets for themselves, and then battling one another, as well as the established NPC groups, for dominance in their little kingdoms, that has the potential to create the same kind of game attachment that Eve Online has. Unfortunately, the mechanics are nowhere near capable of making that a reality, for now at least, and with player interactions so clumsy and hit-and-miss, it's just hard to get really INVESTED in the idea of dealing with people, because it's often this temporary, almost meaningless thing that at best might be amusing for a bit, and at worst might leave your ship full of unwanted holes. xP
Right now, put simply, the game needs more mechanics that support positive and beneficial player interaction; removing the choice of Solo isn't addressing the underlying problem.
Please read the original poll and discussion thread(s) on this issue before starting it up again:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12509
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=26318
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No, that is not what he said, Pirate.
Ouch, er yeah about this bit.... "Once the cat is out of the bag, and it becomes known widespread that the game is really aimed at solo players it will just fade away..." Sorry, this is just conjecture. Scare-mongering opinion with no evidence to back it up. And on top of that it isn't even true. No matter how much YOU might think so, ED is not aimed just at solo players. It is designed to be player co-operative. Players working together against the NPCs. As for Pvp, that is meant to be rare and certainly isn't a central part of the game.
... and this " ...new people won't really buy and play, and the players who do play open mode will likewise get bored and quit..." More of the same. How do you know new people won't buy? Even if word does get around that PvP is not paramount in the game, just think of all those new players who might flock to the game precisely because of that. And the people who will quit? The Pvpers who can't handle the change in game concept.
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same here
some of my favorite games are PvP but in all reality I dont like PvP at all, I just like the game mechanics in those games
Good point there. Just add a pvp toggle that people can switch on or off only if they are in a station and have no bounty. Problem solved. Since its not about pvp only anyhow, just let the people that dont want to pvp have the option to turn that off. This is the only chance you ever have of getting people that dont want to pvp into open.
So opinions needs evidence? -Where are yours?
And what about this one: "And its not even true" -Your tone implies you got some facts for this WITH evidence
It seems you need a break and move on from this thread
I'd settle for a pvp toggle. I just want to see people.
Maybe anarchy systems could be open, creating trade route dangers. I don't know, everything is just so predictable currently.
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Yeah, there's that, for one thing. PvE Groups like Mobius offer guaranteed co-op play with any other players you meet, just as a PvP Group can offer guaranteed consensual PvP. Groups are a great way to join others with similar goals, while interacting with the NPC environment. This idea would remove both those options which are currently active in the game.
It would also remove many "emergent" options for player interaction in All Online, like spotting a PC miner and offering to ride shotgun for a share of the ore. Or spotting a PC in a tough fight where you're both strongly allied to the same faction, where you decide to help out. Or the opposite, help kill him because he's an opposed faction.
It was discussed in the DDF, and since it didn't make it into the 1.0 release, I can't imagine FD changing it now.
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