Computer System requirements

Well you could say I got a good run with my PIII desktop. It has 4 HD's onboard all EIDE, LOL.............so not bad from 1998 - 2013 and needing an upgrade in 2014.

I can't use the case even. That's ok though. Time for a new one. I was looking at the ASUS VI Maximus, the ROG one, they are around AUD$300 here. I'll put 32 GIG ram on board and a 2 GIG nVidia card, the MB can run SLI but I won't go that far as the video card will almost cost the price of the MB :eek:

I won't move till around March/April next year though. No point getting it now. For now the Laptop it shall be and that will be the main place I play ED anyway. All offline so that won't matter...........


A decent machine for '98! Be careful with RAM, different versions of windows can mean they only allow different amounts of RAM, I don't just mean 32 vs 64 bit either. linky to microsoft site bit For example Windows 7(64bit) Home Premium can only use 16GB. I only mention this, as it was something I had not considered.

Windows 8 is beginning to look like a good upgrade (bar the touch screen-a-like-xbox-tiles-thing.) Better searching, copying and no doubt lots of other background improvements. Hmmm something to ponder.
 
A decent machine for '98! Be careful with RAM, different versions of windows can mean they only allow different amounts of RAM, I don't just mean 32 vs 64 bit either. linky to microsoft site bit For example Windows 7(64bit) Home Premium can only use 16GB. I only mention this, as it was something I had not considered.

Windows 8 is beginning to look like a good upgrade (bar the touch screen-a-like-xbox-tiles-thing.) Better searching, copying and no doubt lots of other background improvements. Hmmm something to ponder.

And it was only a couple of months ago that I finally retired my old ultraportable laptop: a Pentium 233 MMX, 80Mb RAM, 7inch screen which I was using as my home mail/SSH/file server (hey it's got a built in UPS...). It came with Win95 but has been running a variety of Linux distros, and Gentoo for the last 10+ years.

I'll be upgrading and dual booting my main machine for Elite, so Windows 8 also has the advantage that it's a lot more forgiving of changing the hardware as part of the new System Builder license compared to the Win7 OEM license (ie you can change the motherboard without having to prove to Microsoft that you're a pirate) - very handy for those of us who are not buying an ultra-rig outright but are hoping to see how we get on and then upgrade as we go.

I understand the memory management is the big under-the-covers improvement from 7 to 8.

And to hark back to earlier posts, yeah, the O/S will use multiple threads even if games don't, so the original Windows NT for example had the memory heap routines split across about 4 or 5 threads (eg one thread was just there to zero pages, another coalesced free blocks etc). But most games will largely tend to do their own memory management using object pools and fixed size heaps to avoid heap management or garbage collection (for any games written in C# etc).

And while I'm at it, hyper-threading is not so much "hardware based thread switching" - any thread switch between threads in the same process just involves switching register values including instruction and stack pointers. The point about hyper threading is that when a CPU stalls for a few cycles, say to wait for a cache-miss (or the FPU pipeline stalls, or there's a branch misprediction and the instruction pipeline stalls), then rather than stalling the entire pipeline, HT allows the core to switch to another thread and hopefully use other parts of the pipeline productively to make use of those lost cycles.

That is, one core pretends to be two. Only one of the two can run at once, but the gain comes from the core using part of its pipeline to process another thread when some part of the pipeline is stalled, hence it's trying to make use of idle resources at a sub-core level (like a human reader swapping between 2 browser tabs while they wait for the next page to load in one rather than staring out the window instead).

Now in CPU intensive work (I used to work on large computational finance codebases that ran on grids of thousands of machines - we used to swap staff with games companies) you work hard at the lowest levels to avoid these kind of stalls, unrolling loops (Duffs device is a classic example, even if it misfires sometimes) and turning computations around to avoid FPU pipeline stalls in particular. Summing an array of FP numbers the naive way is a great way to waste most of your clock cycles (13 out of 14 on some older CPUs, meaning your 2.8GHz chip was effectively running like a 200MHz processor). Similarly you use your own memory management not just to avoid GC interruptions, but to manage your cache alignment and maximise cache usage (don't kick your own data out of the cache if you can avoid it). And all that's before you get to SSE instruction sets, lock free threading and offloading work to the GPU...

Hence many carefully written bits of CPU intensive code will not see much if any benefit from HT as there may not be many stalls where it counts, whereas your more normal bog-standard code (written for a VM and JIT compiled) typically will see boosts from HT as it will stall quite a lot and HT will recover some of the waste cycles.

So don't expect a 2-core-4-thread i5 (with HT) to run like a 4-core-4-thread (non HT) i5 on anything like an optimised codebase if multiple threads are involved (clockspeeds and cache size and microarchitecture differences etc notwithstanding).
And don't expect a 4-core-8-stream i7 (with HT) to offer much improvement over a 4-core-4-thread i5 (non HT) from the HT component - the differences there will be due to cache and clock speeds and microarchitecture improvements between generations.

Personally I stick with AMD chips anyway as I get more bang per buck building my own mid-market machines (X4 965 at the moment). In practice, I've been better able to do things like upgrade CPUs on the same cheaper motherboard, and put the cash saved into more RAM, SSDs, nicer monitors, and I'm expecting to be able to get an NVidia 650 Ti Boost in the new year for a little over £100 and I suspect that'll do me fine...

Sorry - that was only going to be a quick reply...
 
It was a good reply, quite informative. Some I knew but not in so much real world examples sort of thing. Cheers!
 
It was a good reply, quite informative. Some I knew but not in so much real world examples sort of thing. Cheers!
Totally agree :)

I just upgraded from the NVidia 650 Ti which is a great card (had since ~Nov 2011 and ran Skyrim on ultra across the board). However this wasnt a planned upgrade; my daughter wanted a gaming rig build for her 21st so rather than buy a new graphics card for her machine I 'saved her some money' by upgrading mine and gave her that one :rolleyes:

Ended upgrading it to an ASUS NVidia GTX660 Ti which should easily do the job! (2GB GDDR5)
 
Totally agree :)

I just upgraded from the NVidia 650 Ti which is a great card (had since ~Nov 2011 and ran Skyrim on ultra across the board). However this wasnt a planned upgrade; my daughter wanted a gaming rig build for her 21st so rather than buy a new graphics card for her machine I 'saved her some money' by upgrading mine and gave her that one :rolleyes:

Ended upgrading it to an ASUS NVidia GTX660 Ti which should easily do the job! (2GB GDDR5)

And here I am still running on my trusty old Nvidia GTX260 :eek:... haven't had any problem's with it and it managed to run the Witcher 2 on high with no real frame-rate loss ... I think I will need an upgrade for E: D .. but i will wait and see ...
 

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my daughter wanted a gaming rig build for her 21st so rather than buy a new graphics card for her machine I 'saved her some money' by upgrading mine and gave her that one :rolleyes:

Now that's what I call a kind and generous father :D (I'm going to do the same with my son soon so he can do his homework. :rolleyes:)

I'm still running a Nvidia 9800GTX for now and it's still doing the job.
 
Yeah I seriously hope I won't need to upgrade my rig any more to play ED - I actually built this one to play Skyrim with but over specced it for the future - 2 years down the line and it still playes everything easily :)

Although saying that, I may treat myself to *insert computer part here* come Christmas... :D

We should have the minimum / recommended requirements to play ED by then, so I'd suggest holding out buying anything but, get a list ready for Santa, and what he doesnt bring, invest our cash on parts in the Jan sales ;)

This is my rig (just found the spreadsheet I made!), £886.52 in Nov 2011, it uses existing HHDs (2 x 1TB Seagate Baracuda's) and a 60GB SSD drive to mount the OS on (Win7 64):
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower Case with USB3.0 - Black
Intel Core i7 2600k 3.4GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache
Asus P8Z68-V PRO Z68 Socket 1155 8 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2000Mhz Memory Kit CL9
Corsair TX750M 750W Modular PSU - 4 x 6pin PCI-e power leads
Asus GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card
Sony Opticarc AD-5260S 24x DVD RW & DL SATA (used once to install Windows about 3 times since! lol)
Asus Xonar DS PCI 7.1 Soundcard ( - caused nothing but trouble and still is!)


T.j. - I was tempted to swap out her memory with mine the other day since her room looked like a bomb had hit it, I didnt, but was tempted, maybe next time hehe

I also had the 9800GTX which was a great card but 2 capasitors blew on it making it blue screen too often in the end - hense the above build infact :)
 
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Has anything been decided/announced about hardware spec yet?

I want to start designing/buying my brand new gaming rig now!

note to moderators, any chance of a stick thread somewhere entitled 'min h/w spec' even if the only post in it is "nothing announced yet"

At the moment I've got as far as a ~3Ghz quad core i5 (LGA1150). I tend to spend money on a high end motherboard with a low end processor as the processor is easier to upgrade as their prices drop. Same with graphics cards.

we're getting near to beta-time!
 
To be honest, I don't want to know the minimum spec that will just about run Elite on the lowest settings. I want to know the minimum spec tha twill do the game justice. Perhaps FD could give the spec of the machines they use for testing.

I'm pretty sure that my current 6 year old system (Intel Q6600, 4Gb, GeForce 8800 GTS) is not going to cut it. I have a strong desire to upgrade soon and a budget in mind (but with some flexiblity). Waiting is all very well, but I'd kind of like to see some of my current games at their best before beta;)
 
If anyone is interested, paid just under £600 for system below over the course of last 6 months or so and put together myself...
 
Would be good to get an idea of specs, minimum as well as recommended and required for ultra, if nothing else an indication of the specs being used to for internal testing by FD.

I had some experience with testing various games previously, certainly alpha and most times the beta builds are not that well optimised so at release run much smoother on the same hardware that during test was getting choppy frame rates. Honestly not sure if its down to game or GPU driver optimisation, I've always had updated drivers soon after the launch of most major games. Age of Conan, Vanguard and to a point BF3 spring to mind as offenders in this respect.
 
But we will need to talk about it 'soon'....

Agreed.

The latest launch date, 31-Mar-2014 is 180 days away,:)

Beta could be 1-Feb-2014 - 122 days,:smilie:

Alpha could be 1-Dec-2013 - That's just sixty days!:D

That's very close...:eek:

And, as soon as they announce some kind of hardware spec, there'll be a world wide shortage of those components, so the vendors will need time to restock, and the manufacturers will need time to ramp up production...

:D:D:D
 
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Man reading that post about how long until testing and release got me super excited!!

Just bought this laptop a few months back;

Intel Core I3 - 2350M, 2.3GHz
NVidia GeForce 610M - 2GB
6GB memory
500GB hard drive

Here's hoping!
 
And, as soon as they announce some kind of hardware spec, they'll be a world wide shortage of those components, so the vendors will need time to restock, and the manufacturers will need time to ramp up production...:D:D:D

No problem, like so many others, in case of shortage, I already booked a place at the space center of Houston

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Intel Core i7-3770 S1155 3.9GHz 8MB
Crucial 512Gb m4 SATA 6Gb/s (SATA III) Internal SSD; 1TB Secondary HD
Asus Sabertooth Z77 S1155 Intel Z77 DDR3
Corsair Vengenace 32GB 1600MHz DDR3
Corsair Vengeance K90 Performance Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
EVGA GeForce 2GB GTX 770 Overclocked
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo 4 Heatpipe Tower CPU Cooler

That sounds very impressive. Trouble is, I have no idea what it means.

Dammit, Jim! I'm a writer, not a computer science professional!

Cheers,

Drew.
 
I am anxiously awaiting to hear the specs for minimum, suggested, and optimal as many are. I think I have optimal covered except for the video card, an older GTX580 currently, but waiting on the 800 series to upgrade.

I am hoping for a 64 bit version of the game to make use of the 16 gig of ram I have installed, and push the boundaries as they suggested. A 32 bit executable if possible for those not upgraded yet to a modern OS, but the more future proof the better.

Calebe
 
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