FD just Nuked loads of trade routes!

Watching the <Please don't> complain on the forums is pretty fun in and of itself.

Me, I like listening to music and asteroid mining. Occasionally I like getting into a furball with some NPCs and sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but it's always a fun fight. I get satisfaction when I sell something for more than I bought it for. And I enjoy the breathtaking beauty of the universe around me.

Some of you guys are like the rich clowns who have a warehouse full of sports cars that they never drive. And, of course, they complain about the high taxes they pay on them (while paying less than everyone else in pure percentage terms) .... The point to life is not endless acquisition of shiny new toys. It's also not endless violence and domination over your fellow man (because there's always someone tougher or a bigger cheater than you are...) A game is about the journey. Have you noticed what most games do when you get to "the top" or kill the final boss? They end. The end of the game isn't the reward - the journey is.

It's a real bummer they stopped teaching philosophy in high schools.

(Edit: PS - in the time in between while I was writing that, I sold a bunch of gallite for a handy profit! Yay me!)

Oh, geeze, the "The Journey is the Destination" Zen spiel again.
 
And you want to keep it that way? Were you really happy just going from A to B and never seeing things change?
Well, I'd be happy to change the routes if C and D were actually different. It currently looks like "have a huge Excel spreadsheet, jump to random cell and see if that number suits you".
 
REally??

I bought the game on release.... I am a working father of three... I do not have limitless amounts of time to play... I have managed to get a type 6 with 8 million in the bank. What can I buy with that 8 million..... nothing more than I already have.... If all had stayed the same in another month I might have enough for a type 7....

How is that owning a fleet of anacondas????

CMDR NeoN HaZe

Ya i agree with you on this. I mean, in order to have a fully modified viper you need what, 2-3~ million for a ship that costs around 140k~. Cobra is around 6~ mill last I checked for a 300~k ship. Asp you need upwards of 30~ mil to fully deck it out.

With the trade route that I took the time to find, it probably would've taken me another month of play (because I do other things besides trading) to afford python/type 9/anaconda type ships. This change seems to really impede any and all progress for people that play casually.

They're making these changes based on outliers. The people that put 15 hours a day into the game instead of focusing on the people that play casually and still would like to progress. "Want that better FSD? Don't you worry, it'll only take 5 more months of grinding. Good luck." It's sad really.
 
My Profit goes down from 1 million a session to -1800 due to fuel costs upon not finding a route.

Sounds like you're not much of a trader, really.

And let me see if I've got this right - you had 6 trade routes you were grinding away at, and complaining that the game is a grind? You're the grind, not the game.

Speaking of philosophy, consider this possibility: there are plenty of people (including your humble servant) who appear to be having plenty of fun in the game and appear not to be bored; perhaps it's not the game that's boring - perhaps you're just a boring person.

This is, I admit, a problem with role-playing games. I've been a DM in some kind of RPG on and off since, oh, about 1977 or so. One of the worst things that can happen is when you get a party of boring, uncreative people, who want you to entertain them. Of course, it's not very hard (for a while) you just put them on a gear-grinding progression and they'll go away for a while. Eventually they'll complain that you're not entertaining them enough. Actually, what I used to do with the super uncreative party members was I'd just mess with their heads and make them feel inadequate and stupid.

Maybe that's what FD's doing to you.
 

tim74uk

Banned
Hey at least it's different to the "use your imagination" they loved to spout to make up for the game's failings.

It appears there are four.

1. Use your imagination....
2. The journey is the destination
3. You're just an Entitled Gamer
4. What you really want is Easy mode

LMAO!

CMDR NeoN HaZe
 
Sounds like you're not much of a trader, really.

And let me see if I've got this right - you had 6 trade routes you were grinding away at, and complaining that the game is a grind? You're the grind, not the game.

Speaking of philosophy, consider this possibility: there are plenty of people (including your humble servant) who appear to be having plenty of fun in the game and appear not to be bored; perhaps it's not the game that's boring - perhaps you're just a boring person.

This is, I admit, a problem with role-playing games. I've been a DM in some kind of RPG on and off since, oh, about 1977 or so. One of the worst things that can happen is when you get a party of boring, uncreative people, who want you to entertain them. Of course, it's not very hard (for a while) you just put them on a gear-grinding progression and they'll go away for a while. Eventually they'll complain that you're not entertaining them enough. Actually, what I used to do with the super uncreative party members was I'd just mess with their heads and make them feel inadequate and stupid.

Maybe that's what FD's doing to you.
I'll ask you kindly to stop the insults.
 

tim74uk

Banned
Sounds like you're not much of a trader, really.

And let me see if I've got this right - you had 6 trade routes you were grinding away at, and complaining that the game is a grind? You're the grind, not the game.

Speaking of philosophy, consider this possibility: there are plenty of people (including your humble servant) who appear to be having plenty of fun in the game and appear not to be bored; perhaps it's not the game that's boring - perhaps you're just a boring person.

This is, I admit, a problem with role-playing games. I've been a DM in some kind of RPG on and off since, oh, about 1977 or so. One of the worst things that can happen is when you get a party of boring, uncreative people, who want you to entertain them. Of course, it's not very hard (for a while) you just put them on a gear-grinding progression and they'll go away for a while. Eventually they'll complain that you're not entertaining them enough. Actually, what I used to do with the super uncreative party members was I'd just mess with their heads and make them feel inadequate and stupid.

Maybe that's what FD's doing to you.

And I suppose jumping from system to system, only to see the exact same planets over and over again is very exiting is it....???

'Ooooh Look love this system has three stars... different from the last one.... hang on a minute.... are they the same planets I flew past 19LY earlier?'

Complaining about grinding due to lack of any other content.... Yep Check!

Now they have nuked grinding.... and still no content.... what's left??

Oh wait... the journey?? LMAO

CMDR NeoN HaZe
 
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Oh, geeze, the "The Journey is the Destination" Zen spiel again.

Yup. It's profoundly true.

If you don't agree, tell me: why do you play games? What do you get out of them? What's the point?

Presumably entertainment, right? Are you only entertained when you're getting exactly what you want? Are you only entertained when the final credits roll? Are you only entertained when you are so geared up that you walk over the final boss like a level 100 Death Knight ganking a newbie in a PVP zone?

It's probably off-topic and we should return to the scheduled hair-pulling and whining, but, seriously, why are you here?

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And I suppose jumping from system to system, only to see the exact same planets over and over again is very exiting is it....???

It's vastly more exciting than you're turning out to be.

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I'll ask you kindly to stop the insults.

What insult?
 
So as everyone putting there boot in & making daft quotes about dodge vipers & rubbish, I dident want the pvp crap done that in other games Meany meany other year ago in another games so elite come back around great came be a miner & trader so iam a kickstart backer game comes out they brake mining because of a bug ok I'll move to a trader 10-12weeks later brake trading, maybe it just me but I don't want to pvp & that's my option but now both have been taken away due to who knows what (14yr old I want I want ! Ers) moaning coz they can't do there GTA crap & linear missions with non-imagination, its now turning into a kindergarten of 9-14yr old game
 
Sounds like you're not much of a trader, really.

And let me see if I've got this right - you had 6 trade routes you were grinding away at, and complaining that the game is a grind? You're the grind, not the game.

Speaking of philosophy, consider this possibility: there are plenty of people (including your humble servant) who appear to be having plenty of fun in the game and appear not to be bored; perhaps it's not the game that's boring - perhaps you're just a boring person.

This is, I admit, a problem with role-playing games. I've been a DM in some kind of RPG on and off since, oh, about 1977 or so. One of the worst things that can happen is when you get a party of boring, uncreative people, who want you to entertain them. Of course, it's not very hard (for a while) you just put them on a gear-grinding progression and they'll go away for a while. Eventually they'll complain that you're not entertaining them enough. Actually, what I used to do with the super uncreative party members was I'd just mess with their heads and make them feel inadequate and stupid.

Maybe that's what FD's doing to you.

Variety is the spice of life. People get bored with the same thing. The ones who don't are the rare exception
It's in FDs interest to keep people entertained.

You should also probably stop instigating so much.
 
I've always used the same trade route I found over a month ago. It changed today, but it did so in my favor. After three full turns through the route, I was unable to change supply or demand. They were always right back where they started by the time I returned. It's a 10 minute A-to-B-to-A route in a 436 ton Anaconda. So, I'm not convinced the emotional response is warranted. Also, it's just a game.
 
Yup. It's profoundly true.

If you don't agree, tell me: why do you play games? What do you get out of them? What's the point?

Presumably entertainment, right? Are you only entertained when you're getting exactly what you want? Are you only entertained when the final credits roll? Are you only entertained when you are so geared up that you walk over the final boss like a level 100 Death Knight ganking a newbie in a PVP zone?

It's probably off-topic and we should return to the scheduled hair-pulling and whining, but, seriously, why are you here?

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It's vastly more exciting than you're turning out to be.

Again, stop the personal attacks.

Secondly, this argument of the "Journey" being worthwhile in and of itself is misleading. Because by that yardstick, you can thusly defend any and all games from being criticised for lacking content or worthwhile things to do. In effect, even a "watch paint dry" simulator would be a game worthy of your attention, due to the "Journey" from fresh paint to dry paint.
 

tim74uk

Banned
It's vastly more exciting than you're turning out to be.

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What insult?

RE-REad what you wrote then read it back as if someone wrote that directed at you...

But hey it would take a lot more than that to make me angry :)

CMDR NeoN HaZe
 
Um, I hate to burst your bubble but trading in this game only amounts to time and willpower.

I don't have a bubble mate, so knock yourself out.

What you should have said, was trading in this game amounted to time and willpower before now.

Did you notice the title of the thread? And the content?

Welcome to the discussion. They were giving trade ranks away before, if trade routes are constantly changing as they should be they will now also take some modicum of effort.
 
I liked how you could space google trade good prices in Space Rangers 2. You could filter your results by station type, government, dominant species, distance from your current location, it was great, and it almost always ended up getting you to plan some crazy multi-jump trek through pirate/robot controlled space in the hopes you could still score some cheap crates of space drugs at the end.

I wish ED's in game tools were as awesome as those.

So as everyone putting there boot in & making daft quotes about dodge vipers & rubbish, I dident want the pvp crap done that in other games Meany meany other year ago in another games so elite come back around great came be a miner & trader so iam a kickstart backer game comes out they brake mining because of a bug ok I'll move to a trader 10-12weeks later brake trading, maybe it just me but I don't want to pvp & that's my option but now both have been taken away due to who knows what (14yr old I want I want ! Ers) moaning coz they can't do there GTA crap & linear missions with non-imagination, its now turning into a kindergarten of 9-14yr old game

Indeed.
 
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