I read every post... "The subjective Space Time Prophesy"
"The subjective Space Time
Prophesy"
Trade was broken. Assuming it is now fixed - really fixed - then hurrah! Let us stop griping and move on. Let us look forward to a more diverse economy than just palladium, imperial slaves and performance enhancers!
I was in the grinder and not very happy about grinding, but doing well with cr, yet still grinding, which isn't "playing"... "ditto"...
Ideally good trade routes should be fairly permanent. Great trade routes should be temporary.
I see this as a natural form of how trade should be, yet also be effected by population inflation and deflation, or when a vital hub of population becomes stable enough to sustain such trade volume... "agreed"...
So they've finally fixed the static supply/demand problem, and markets are working they way they're supposed to? So that means that traders won't be able find one optimal trade route and repeat it ad nauseum until they're bored because they skipped the fun parts of the game in their rush to get an Anaconda? Hmm...
[video=youtube;bXysRO11Xi8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXysRO11Xi8[/video]
Fun parts of the game were lost while I was in "the grind"... "Yep"...
If you stumble upon it, it's chance. If you go looking for it, it's scouting.
After my profits had dwindled from ~2.200 cr/t to ~1.200 for my 1 jump round trip (plus limited supplies), i went looking for a better place.
It took me a couple of hours, but i found it.
1 jump (under 4 ly), ~2.500 cr/t profit for the round trip, over a million tons of palladium on one end, and thousands of tons of performance enhancers on the other.
Go looking, guys...profitable runs are still out there.
This is a good point, yet it also leads to the question of where we keep our "scout ships", as some of the larger trade ships are limited by jump distance and the crossovers (Python, Anaconda) are then limited by their fuel consumption. There have been many forum's threads which elude to the need of transporting ships that are parked in other locations, or the need for their owners to have a way of gaining transport to them. Scouting trade routes is not very profitable in either a heavy trade ship or by the crossovers, which does bring the need to have more than one ship, but also a way to get the pilot and scout ship back together again that fits into many players "free play time".
...Scouting Trade, good point!...
[video=youtube;sA5n5Oext5U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5n5Oext5U[/video]
Space was very limited for me when I was grinding, which did not expand the fun of my game, but did expand the gain of my game... "Indeed, the lion was/is caged without the motive or ability to expand it's territory"...
I mentioned Skinner Box before, I think it's time for a little explanation, just to show how it applies to some people in this thread.
The Skinner Box is operant conditioning. Operant conditioning is a very complex subject, but to break it down, it's teaching something (a rat, a human, a pigeon) to perform an action via rewards and punishments. There are three phases to operant conditioning.
First phase, Continuous: the behaviour you want is rewarded every time. You can't stay in this mode constantly, as your subject will learn it always gets a reward on performing the behaviour, and only perform said behaviour when it wants a reward. Rat pushes button, gets food.
Second phase, Intermittent: After your subject has learned behaviour=reward, you shift to this. You only reward the behaviour wanted once and awhile. This is where you want your subject to stay. The longer you keep your subject in this phase, the farther you can stretch out rewards. Rat pushes button 10 times, gets food.
Third phase, Extinction: If your behaviour/reward interval gets too big, your subject stops performing the behaviour. Falling into this phase is a failure.
Now, how does this apply to Elite? The people here complaining about "grinding" are operant conditioned. The behaviour is playing the game (grinding trade routes). The reward is a bigger ship. Early game is continuous phase, as they were getting rewards nice and fast. The "grind" phase is Intermittent. Now they have to "work" to get to the next reward, it's not an instant thing. Complaints about lack of "end game" content are the beginnings of Extinction. They're no longer getting rewards for performing the behaviour they were trained into.
The complaints about trade routes changing and such are a result of the depth of the conditioning. These people have been trained "Behaviour=reward". Anything obstructing the performance of the behaviour (trade routes changing) delays the reward state. The operant conditioned subject HATES delays to the reward state.
Elite honestly wasn't set up for this sort of Skinner Box behaviour. It's more of a "journey" game, where getting there is the reward. Sadly, operant conditioning is a powerful thing, and almost any system that has a set of "rewards" can fall into the trap. The nice thing is, once you realise you're in a skinner box, you can bust yourself out, and start enjoying the game as it was meant to be enjoyed.
"You know far too much about Skinner" (Skinner's work has allot to do with my time science research work... so please get out of studying Skinner so I can make more $ doing what I do)
We are all trained to what we believe and do, with far less free will than we believe we have...
When the frustration of world change strikes, it's only natural for the trained and expecting player to wish for a return of their expected reward system. This change within ED's Trade, should cause we players to expand and search for those same rewards again. Yet if and when we find them, they too will be subject to the supply and demand need for those commodities. This frustration that is currently being encountered, is the adding of task needing to be done to what was easy, trained and well known before for our reward to be achieved. We will get use to it... "because we will become trained to it, where reward gratification will become more tolerable"...
So much for Skinner...
Kudos for bring him up
Personally i dont really mind if trading has been nerfed/fixed. I currently have been grinding trade routes and luxuries and rares like everyone else but ive only been doing it for a few weeks and obviously not as hard core. i currently have 25mil assets. basically a type 7 and some cash. The thing that bugs me is that where as before for me to get on par with most people who have the likes of anacondas and pythons and type 9`s and all the rest of it im now going to have to work 100 times harder to get to that level. Thats like giving a large portion of the players now a big few hundred mil credits and saying here now watch all the other idiots grind like $%^& to catch you.
No mad.
I felt like some overpowered nation just spent all the world's cash again by spending it on a fake flagged war zone... Happy I'm Not... because the ship market just got allot tougher...
but those that were here first or grinded the most, I guess just became the Elite of what is Dangerous around here... But that's just how things work between the cash class wars and the early backers and comers to our game...
Space Time's
Prophesy... (or hopes)
Our game is getting ready for passengers, so this supply and demand side of our game may become interlinked with the flow of populations as they expand across the Universe. If there is a growing population within an area, then passenger transport will increase within that area or individual star-port. Yet along with those growing populations, the more heavy trade ships will be doing quite well in increased trade because of increased demand for goods, where right now they have some limitations because of jump distance or fuel costs trying to find equitable trade to sustain them.
A Viable Way...
The Future of transporting our smaller ships... that may better fit our individual play styles and ever changing commodities markets...
A Lakon Type-6, may be able to carry/transport a Sidewinder within it's cargo space.
A Lakon Type-7, may be able to transport up to Cobra.
A LaKon Type-9, may be able to transport a Python.
The Anaconda may be able to transport a Python as well... "who knows?"...
When we think of becoming mobile and having the need to transport our "Support Ships" to meet the ever changing demands of markets when in trade or in pirating, we need the ability to change our or transport our nest or base of operations in a plausible way, and I believe that this is the way of our future with regard to the current and coming changes... "because passengers for transport are coming, then why not the transporting of ships too?"
"What do you think?"
Space Time
