how does ED compare to SC ?
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If you want to see how lively people here are, try starting a thread on newtonian physics in the game!
I think liveliness goes from thread to thread. Hottest topic for that last few days has been Dev Diary #8, before that we've discussed player owned stations and newtonian physics (that's the ones I've participated in -- there are surely more topics).
But it's still pretty good and civil here, I sometimes even get warm fuzzy feeling
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I sometimes even get warm fuzzy feeling
Hmmm? Sounds like you've got a case of the "Trumbles" in the cockpit again rgb_astro.
I find SC weird, people are buying ships for 250-1250$
This means RSI needs to make those ships almost ungettable for non backers. Grinding a year for such a ship or something.
If they won't do that it will enrage all people who bought ships for big $ now.
Only problem is that new players will enrage because the game looks completely p2w and unfair.
Besides that, it really looks like they are milking it. Releasing so much ships to buy over and over again. It almost seems it has nothing to do with backing the game anymore, just getting as much as $$$$$$$ as possible.
I don't like its current structure.
This means RSI needs to make those ships almost ungettable for non backers. Grinding a year for such a ship or something.
If they won't do that it will enrage all people who bought ships for big $ now.
Only problem is that new players will enrage because the game looks completely p2w and unfair.
Besides that, it really looks like they are milking it. Releasing so much ships to buy over and over again. It almost seems it has nothing to do with backing the game anymore, just getting as much as $$$$$$$ as possible.
I don't like its current structure.
SC will find its place, be sure of that. I don't think Chris is scratching his fan base for extra bucks, he's no need to. Plus, that doesn't seem to be the guys style. SC's just giving its fan base what they want and clearly they "want" that else they wouldn't be pouring all that cash into the coffers. So, really ... more power to them over there, I hope the game turns out absolutely epic! (And same thing for ED here!)
By the way, nice sig there Brad.
Ive been following SC and their Hangar Module. I am also following the "founding goals system". Its abseloutly crazy to see people pledging so much to walk around in a hangar looking at a ship. And the amount of cash they get in is beyond dreams. Every goal is in the million class. I dont understand why you need 1 million $ to make 1 ship in the game. They are surely milking the "juice" out of their fans. And people swallow the bait.
But I must say the graphics are abseloutly amazing in SC. Im just watching though. I am sticking to E.D I wont swallow Chris Roberts bait just yet
But I must say the graphics are abseloutly amazing in SC. Im just watching though. I am sticking to E.D I wont swallow Chris Roberts bait just yet
Ive been following SC and their Hangar Module. I am also following the "founding goals system". Its abseloutly crazy to see people pledging so much to walk around in a hangar looking at a ship. And the amount of cash they get in is beyond dreams. Every goal is in the million class. I dont understand why you need 1 million $ to make 1 ship in the game. They are surely milking the "juice" out of their fans. And people swallow the bait.
But I must say the graphics are abseloutly amazing in SC. Im just watching though. I am sticking to E.D I wont swallow Chris Roberts bait just yet
Well, they certainly don't need 1 million to do so. But the problem is that if they set smaller brackets they just run out of goals. I have a slight suspicion that while very well thought ahead, SC success was far beyond anyones expectations, and that is causing some issues.
I feel weird about SC...
At first the Squadron 42 was intriguing... but then I played again at Wing/Strike Commander and Privateer and... I remembered.
Why I bought Elite III and Privateer was a pirated copy.
Why Freelancer didn't really feel so free, but also why Starlancer was absolutely stellar.
There's a vision in each these two games.
What I WANT can only be found in Elite.
There's a whole lot of good in SC. A LOT.
Just, it doesn't fill my bill.
Also I keep wondering why some SC backers keep saying that E.D is a scam for 80£ (which is ridiculous) and not buying a SINGLE ship for far more than that...
It's really a big ? for me.
An afterthought...
SC is obviously going to be good.
But can it really be 30million dollars good? Really?
It better be nearly damn perfect from start, or they will be chewed alive.
In the end I just hope will have fun...
That's what games are for.
At first the Squadron 42 was intriguing... but then I played again at Wing/Strike Commander and Privateer and... I remembered.
Why I bought Elite III and Privateer was a pirated copy.
Why Freelancer didn't really feel so free, but also why Starlancer was absolutely stellar.
There's a vision in each these two games.
What I WANT can only be found in Elite.
There's a whole lot of good in SC. A LOT.
Just, it doesn't fill my bill.
Also I keep wondering why some SC backers keep saying that E.D is a scam for 80£ (which is ridiculous) and not buying a SINGLE ship for far more than that...
It's really a big ? for me.
An afterthought...
SC is obviously going to be good.
But can it really be 30million dollars good? Really?
It better be nearly damn perfect from start, or they will be chewed alive.
In the end I just hope will have fun...
That's what games are for.
Didn't CR say a ship costs between $30,000 and $150,000? I guess the other ~$900,000 will be useful to budget for delays and also for cash reserves. I do slightly wonder if a chunk of that money is going to end up as TV spots and other forms of marketing though.
Yes - I remember something about that figure - and they take 3 - 6 months to build - or thereabouts..
I fully agree. I think the way CIG have gone about it can lead to some long term problems. Its all fine and dandy at the moment, although there does seem to be an increase in whiners popping up lately since some perks have ended, but I think the whole setup has been laid on dodgy foundations. When people are shelling out the kind of money they are they can easily get ed off if things get tweaked here and there and ships get rebalanced, or if expectations and hype aren't met, or worse still if new players are offered cheap or even freebie incentives to join once the game goes live. That can breed resentment. They aimed big and got big rewards, but if they don't reach peoples expectations and more! there could be a massive backlash.
Ironically I haven't backed that game precisely because of the way its gone about it. I feel I'm too far behind the majority of players already and its not even out yet and there's no way in hell I'll fork out real money to catch up. But not only that it would kill the fun I'd want from working my way up from starter ship to something more powerful. I'm still really looking forward to it though and I'll be an avid player, but it'll be my 'fun' Sunday afternoon game, something I won't take seriously at all.
Elite on the other hand I'll take more seriously, its my 'space sim', and I'll spend the majority of my time in it due to its scope and limitless possibilities.
It's not that i want to defend SC but why do you care what other people have, CS and ED as well are more pve then pvp so the concept of p2w make no sense.
And SC will have a system of matching people according to the ship you have
wich will try avoid placing you in an instance vs a bigger and stronger ship.
For me am looking forward for bought games and am sure bought will be great in there own way.
This is exactly why I won't be playing SC and I have backed only ED. This idea of instance and matching people would kill my experience of grand scale open world such as I imagine ED will be. SC doesn't sound at all like being a great exploration game but rather some kind of competition space opera in which real money plays the main part. No thanks, this is not my idea of a space sim.
So, tens of thousands over on the SC forums have faith in CR's and the SC game being developed for them (just like we have "faith" in DB and ED) and we can do nothing but criticise their success and model? Think only, "Ohhh dear, looks like it gonna end up bad, I got a baaaad feel about them! Look at us, we didn't need that money, look how much better we are! Look how great we are in comparison!" Seriously? You people feel happy doing that on these forums? I think some of you are forgetting, there's going to be a hell of a lot of SC backers heading this way as ED gets more popularity. You really want them to see the ED forum crowd (friendly community?) as a bunch of up themselves a-holes?
Come on, cut it out. The "fans" of that game are just as passionate about it, just as passionate as we are here with ED. As for the difference in the forums from here to there, thats just a US/UK thing, it's always been that way with any game and is no biggy. There's plenty of "good people" over there, way way more than bad. Still, you wouldn't think so by the way some here have been slamming the SC forums.
Be better people, stop inferring the high end SC backers (that may end up here as well) that they at idiots for their passion. Or are you going to infer that all high end backers for ED are crazy idiots as well?
Or are you going to infer that all high end backers for ED are crazy idiots as well?
You mean Liqua? No comment...
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Be better people, stop inferring the high end SC backers (that may end up here as well) that they at idiots for their passion. Or are you going to infer that all high end backers for ED are crazy idiots as well?
TBH these discussions always start like this "Damn, we have 33M$, but ED has only 2M$, but hey, they show kick ass trailers. How that's possible?". And then someone has to describe, that financing models differ, that development models differ, that games are created differently.
I think *no* one here calls SC backers crazy idiots, if someone do, please point, I will add it to ED troll kill list
Problems about pledging or insanity of ships sale has been risen by SC backers themselves many many times in their own forums. I wish CR luck, and I am positively surprised that so many people eager to back indie game, I really do. Just that all controversy and ship craze has sucked out lot of fun for me to sport idea backing SC now (and they really don't need my money anyway, I mean, come on ). I personally just want that hype to die down, otherwise it will keep damaging SC image, and despite that I like Elite more, I still want it to succeed (I will play Squadron 42 mostly though). As many people have said, CIG should drop ship sales now and concentrate at their best in development. They have more than enough money to do that now
U do realize ED will be instanced like SC, ED will have 32 max and SC are aiming for 100, if your looking for no instance space then bought are not for you.