General / Off-Topic Hyperspace travel explained by NASA

Why not? Put up or shut up, as the saying goes! If you're going to expound on the evils of spending money on the development of technology as you sit there at your PC, drinking a cappuccino from your bean-to-cup espresso machine (I made that bit up ;) ) then you should be held to a higher standard. I'm making no such claims - I do give regularly to a charity of my choice but I could do a lot more if I chose. And if I went around preaching about it then I definitely would feel that I should be doing more than the average person.

Why don't you start putting up then. So you make no claims but mention you give to charity. :S Very transparent. I won't put up anything. I am not here to have a race with you about who is more noble or environmentally and/or morally sensitive.

And I am not preaching. I share my opinion for free that you can use to become informed by, or to become notified there is an aspect to all this you might not have considered before. You should enrich yourself with it because that is how we grow wiser. I learn new ideas and concepts by different people all the time.

Listen, why are you even here if you do not wish to participate in the sharing of ideas? Or do not want to read them because one line somehow affects you so much that you can't continue?
 
I'll reply in a PM, this is pointless in this thread, and totally off topic.

Oh mate .. my popcorn was just warmed up and all :mad:


No need of science fiction to explain hyperspace in 3300AD, NASA is already seriously working on it in 2013 :D

Link here.

Looking forward to reading it - thanks for the link :)

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Very cool ... read it in the voice of Scotty .. then noticed someone in the comments asking about that :D

Exoitic matter (anti-matter ?) is needed ... do we know how to make that / collect it / what ever ?

(Don't ask me Jim .. I'm a pirate not a doctor!)
 
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I've read two or three articles on the subject, but I still haven't found any that can validate the claims made by White by others in the scientific community. Any takers on a link to any such source? I'm not saying it's hookey, but given the enormous impact it will have if it's true it's awefully silent.
 
Did they get around the problem of annihilating wherever the ship ended up being - due to the snow-plough effect (at least that's how I imagined it)? The article seems focused on reducing the energy requirements.
 
Sorry Variform, but i gotta pull you up about a few things,Yes everybody on this planet does not exist on it on an equal footing,yes our use of technology seems to be overbalanced against the betterment of the self and the enrichment of all our beliefs and behaviours BUT to abandon all growth and progress is to deny all human race to destruction. we are very lucky to have survived at all for this long and we desperately need to develop space travel so the human race doesnt exist in just one place when the big asteroid comes or the supervolcano erupts.

having a fairer,more harmonious and spiritually enlightened human race will not prevent these occurences from happening and they WILL happen and we as a race have to be prepared for that.
 
Did they get around the problem of annihilating wherever the ship ended up being - due to the snow-plough effect (at least that's how I imagined it)? The article seems focused on reducing the energy requirements.

what id do is go somewhere near to where you want to go and then it doesnt matter if you annihilate everything :)
 
RE: OP

I hope they get there, I really do. But someone come back with an up to date article when they have found some of this 'negative vacuum energy' they need ;)
 
The topic is quite old... i remember discussing it in my physics class in '98
Even at that time there were new solutions reducing the amount of negative mass.
 
I hope they get there, I really do. But someone come back with an up to date article when they have found some of this 'negative vacuum energy' they need ;)

Oh it's easy, just take a bit of vacuum and then subtract the energy away from it twice. Easy! Works on paper, anyway...
 
The topic is quite old... i remember discussing it in my physics class in '98
Even at that time there were new solutions reducing the amount of negative mass.

Well I'd hope so too with a name like that! Warp theory 101 is required reading at the Academy you know....
 
It seems Western society has plenty of negative mass to dispose of! We could make a 'McDonalds Drive', a huge quasi-restaurant in space, ploughing it's way to local star systems with an ever expanding cloud of wrappers, paper cups and polystyrene containers billowing behind. Fast food chain outlets are the way to the stars and they are also an immediate market for any unfortunate life forms we encounter. I can already imagine the Big Mcthoid burger.

We may very well be in our infancy, so to speak, and have a grossly unfair global social system but I don't think that should stop science, exploration or innovation. I'm not saying they are not connected but they shouldn't be bound together.
Getting to the stars might be our transition to a more mature, fair society.
 
Interesting ? silly heck!

Interesting. :cool:

****** ! This bright person thinks he's seen a wrinkle in the system !
AND if so, there IS a way of spoofing Einstein and getting to systems further than expected.Suggest that's better than INTERESTING . I'm a n00b but seem to remember reading that, in 1930's the ' idea ' of an Atomic Bomb was JUST an idea . ( was it Oppenheimer ? )
Hey 40 years on, my grandchildren could be doing Elite for real !

OH ! I Hope SO !
 
Sorry Variform, but i gotta pull you up about a few things,Yes everybody on this planet does not exist on it on an equal footing,yes our use of technology seems to be overbalanced against the betterment of the self and the enrichment of all our beliefs and behaviours BUT to abandon all growth and progress is to deny all human race to destruction.

There are people living in the Amazon basin that have lives totally different from ours, that are doing just fine without plasma tv's and videocards.

There are some people who would dismiss that notion, saying they are unhappy. But they are not. The fact is, we don't need 99% of our technology to be happy and live worthy lives.

I am not against technology or growth, if growth is sustainable. So I am not against warp drive, but I just can't blind myself to the ethical issue that arises out of the rich west continuing its science into deep space while more than half of our brothers have barely discovered the vaccine against lepra.

And as we have plotted the human genome, some of us on Earth, this gorgeous world racing through space at a speed of 30.000 km an hour, drink agricultural pesticides to commit suicide in India because the genetic engineers at Monsanto force them to use seeds that fail to grow properly into the money crop they desperately need to survive, the same cotton a child laborer over yonder in the factor sows into clothes, then dies by the 1000 in a collapsing building.

we are very lucky to have survived at all for this long and we desperately need to develop space travel so the human race doesnt exist in just one place when the big asteroid comes or the supervolcano erupts.

I have that worry too. I have been aware of that possibility for a long time. I would not like to see our race wiped out. But I wonder what the fear is based on. Such cataclysms take away our videocards for sure. Now that would be nasty. So what I am saying is that we will lose our luxury life. How devastating it would be for that Indian farmer remains to be seen.

If we leave this word, we should all go. Just like in a Vietnam film I once saw the hero cries to the staggering men he just saved 'We ALL go!'

And I hope we will go well fed and clothed as more noble beings rather than divide ourselves into the haves and have nots.

Because as things are, who would board the rocket? Will it be a starving Indian or African? Or will it be some rich privileged people? Or will the UN decide who gets to escape a dying world?

And, contrary to what jabokai says, that this is off topic, I find it extremely relevant to ask ourselves these questions before the rocket is at the launchpad and ready to go. And then it will turn out there have been people conniving and bribing and lobbying under all sorts of tables to get a seat.

having a fairer,more harmonious and spiritually enlightened human race will not prevent these occurences from happening and they WILL happen and we as a race have to be prepared for that.

As you say, as a race. All of us, together. And not from a divided world where some drink poison to escape this hell and some drink champaign.

We owe it to the stars themselves to approach them with dignity. If we leave this world divided, we will divide each world we colonize and base it on bad ethics. Because every new world will have riches to exploit. 2 worlds, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64. All worlds will have resources and resources aplenty combined with bad ethics means locust behavior. As long as there are resources, we can cover up our bad ethics.

That is what the injected events in ED are about. We are told that in principle - and really think about it - you can starve a world by buying all food surpluses, or that you can make a 'killing' quite literally, to withhold medicines from a disease ridden planet.

This is within the range of possibilities. I dare ask you, what kind of universe would you like to live in?

That is why I said I will play this game, because the premise on which it is build is utterly unacceptable, unethical and impossible, and it is impossible because of the way we act on Earth. The same thing we transpose into the universe, capitalism, greed, open markets, conflicts, war are the things we have on Earth right now. And we find those thing fun to play... But it is the same deal that will crash our society back into the 1850's within 100 years.

Even now technology is halted. yesterday on the news here, the fact that China has 97% of the rare earths needed in touch screen products (but as well all cell phones and batteries we use) and that electric car manufacturer Tesla has had to decrease their production because there weren't enough of these batteries available.

Apparently there is a conference in The Netherlands about this right now. What should happen? Should the west wage war and force China to dig their country into an open mine pit so that we can use our fingers on a screen?

I do not want to bring that to the cosmos.
 
It seems Western society has plenty of negative mass to dispose of! We could make a 'McDonalds Drive', a huge quasi-restaurant in space, ploughing it's way to local star systems with an ever expanding cloud of wrappers, paper cups and polystyrene containers billowing behind. Fast food chain outlets are the way to the stars and they are also an immediate market for any unfortunate life forms we encounter. I can already imagine the Big Mcthoid burger.

We may very well be in our infancy, so to speak, and have a grossly unfair global social system but I don't think that should stop science, exploration or innovation. I'm not saying they are not connected but they shouldn't be bound together.
Getting to the stars might be our transition to a more mature, fair society.

How do you see that though?

If we cannot come to terms with ourselves here on Earth, by what perspective or mechanism would warp drive change the way we are?

I think ethics (and spirituality) and science should be bound. Without a sense of ethics you get an Oppenheimer. Scientists who have no qualms about theorizing and working to develop atomic power and weapons.

Just yesterday I read how at a Toronto university a man finished his work on an algorithm that allows social media to take a picture, scan it and then compare the objects or faces to other pictures and establish relationships between the people in those pictures. How unwelcome it is I don't have to explain.

We have startups that will sell you devices that hang from a cord around your neck that take pictures every 15 seconds to log your life and damage privacy of everybody you face.

We have google, the NSA and all these daily articles I read about violations of law and privacy and there seems no ethical restraint to develop these things beyond some ethical committee at a university, that never seems to say no to a proposal to research something.

A scientist is a person that is no longer guided by moral or ethical restraint. They feel like you do, that science is mneutral to how the world works and that we as a society should determine whether or not we use some technology.

But that is stupid. And you know why? Because looking at ourselves as a species we can immediately and easily discern that we cannot handle these technologies properly. The atomic bomb WAS used. Chemical weapons WERE used, not long ago in Syria. Whatever comes to hand we will use in one way or another.

If you realize that we cannot handle ourselves very well as a species, a scientist with a spiritual backbone would never be okay with developing something he knows will be used for bad purposes.

Somehow they believe that if we just keep researching technology and theorizing about the nature of reality, somehow we will research ourselves out of ourselves, to become noble beings and enlightened.

But you cannot.
 
@variform

I've read your thoughts with interest.....but......you really need to start a thread in the 'Off Topic' section. However passionately you feel about this subject doesn't give you the right to ride roughshod over the forum rules.

Any mods about?
 
I am not against technology or growth, if growth is sustainable. So I am not against warp drive, but I just can't blind myself to the ethical issue that arises out of the rich west continuing its science into deep space while more than half of our brothers have barely discovered the vaccine against lepra.
why not? should have columbus waited with his discovery of america until the plague is rotten out?

I do not want to bring that to the cosmos.
i think the cosmos doesnt really care about it ;)
 

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The thread has gone off on a bit of a tangent to say the least.

In respect of the original post, can we go back on topic and try to stay there?

Thanks everyone. :D
 
The thread has gone off on a bit of a tangent to say the least.

In respect of the original post, can we go back on topic and try to stay there?

Thanks everyone. :D
In order to get this back on topic I typed the words "seriously working", which I took from the OP, into google and found this image.

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Hope that helps.
 
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