Thrustmaster Warthog & E:D

Archvillain

Archvillain
Net-burst said:
Archvillain, looking at your needs, you don't really need TARGET. TARGET is needed when you need advanced functionality
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You probably missed my earlier post. I was originally playing Elite without using Target, but I needed the advanced functionality, which is why I started doing all this. There are a few places where the Elite binds on their own won't offer the desired interaction (like proper positional toggle-switch control of landing gear). I have several buttons that have quite a few things mapped to them, sequences, etc. I rarely need layers, but there are still things I'm using them for, and as I figure out the game, I suspect I might imagine more. Plus of course, Lights! Visual-feedback lights, indicator lights, and because of all that lighty goodness, a one-stop universal-across-all-controllers brightness-adjustment, etc. :D

I'll adjust the pulse - thanks! I"ll also check out AutoHotKey, thanks for to that tip too. (Though my assumption is that it (and everything else) would have the same issues as Elite if Target is running and the MFD buttons aren't mapped to unique keys.)
 
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himurastewie

himurastewie
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I thought I'd chip in my pennies.

I bought my Warthog for Elite right after returning a CH Fighterstick and Pro Pedals. The stick was nice but had a wobbly deadzone, and the pedals had a deadzone as wide as the galaxy and I just couldn't get it sorted.

The stick has been marvelous over the past few months. I mapped yaw to the pinky lever on the stick and set it to function on hold. It takes a little getting used to, but works well mostly.

Since many of the switches on the throttle base are toggles, I had to do a little mapping to get them where I like them. I haven't created a TARGET script for it yet, as the binding system in Elite has been adequate enough.

I had always wanted a Thrustmaster and it hasn't been a disappointment. It still feels very solid and incredibly accurate, even after months of pretty hard use.

I'd recommend it, even if it's suboptimal in terms of buttons and the way some of them function. It can be worked around in a number of ways, with a little patience.
 

Briarée

Briarée
Andrej said:
... then it wouldn't be a Warthog. We are yet to see the mechanic that combine great mechanic with twist function. Are we ever going to see it? I'm not sure it is possible. Warthog is NOT a controller for someone who want to save some money. So, either one become not interested in sims of any kind, or become hooked and do it the right way - get the rudder pedals.
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true.

also keep in mind that the warthog is not just a high end hotas weighting a lot.

it also is a replica of the A-10C hotas....so no twist
 

Cmdr. Numa

Cmdr. Numa
Cpt.America said:
Did you buy the thrusmaster hotas stands too? If so, you will have extra tubes to use.. I mounted my center one, and mounted my keyboard tray to the center. There is plenty of room if you push it away... but you can't use the joystick/hotas with the keyboard pulled back to normal typing position... they collide. But I only use it here and there for some text chat in the oculus, or typing systems into the galaxy map. Make sure you mount the tray mount backwards to the leverage is more in the middle of the keyboard tray, and not way out on the end. (you will see when you start). The build is a bit of a pain.

The only other issue with running the middle mount inbetween your legs, is that you really are IN the cockpit... climbing in and out is a bit tricky. Make sure you have some USB extensions cables so your joystick cable can go down to the floor, then out the back of the cockpit to your PC. Otherwise, like me, you will need to lift your leg completely over the cable to climb out. It's a pain, but totally worth it while flying, so I couldn't care less.
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I use the CH gear, so I bought the standard throttle and stick mounts, not the special Warthog ones. But as build that's pretty much the same.
 

cowasaki

cowasaki
Where the warthog has on/off switches rather than a button is it possible to configure this to say landing gear on/off? I'm thinking of upgrading from the X52pro but can't see a way of handling using on/off buttons for functions. At the moment I have landing gear on a slider and to activate or deactivate it I have to slide the slider on and then off again each time.
 

Archvillain

Archvillain
cowasaki said:
Where the warthog has on/off switches rather than a button is it possible to configure this to say landing gear on/off?
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Yes it is. You use Target to configure the switch to sent a pulse (to landing gear) in both on and off positions.
Then for bonus points, you make it activate an LED when in the ON position, so an indicator light is on whenever landing gear is out. :)
(The only caveat with adding the light is that you should start the game with the switch in the correct position - if you start in a station, then landing gear is out, so you should start the game with the switch in that position, otherwise your LED will indicate when the landing gear is retracted :) )

For super bonus points, you can use the layers feature of Target to allow yourself to instantly correct any mismatch in-game if you accidentally launched the game with the landing-gear switch in the "wrong" position. Layers allows you to (among other things) use another key-press to suppress the switch output, so you can use that to put the switch in the correct position without toggling landing gear.

(Or you could just flip it while in the station menu when the game is going to simply ignore it :D )
 
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cowasaki

cowasaki
Roland2 said:
The pedals don't plug into or interact with the warthog, so you can use any pedals you want.
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Brilliant. So which one is best?

CH Pro @ £101
Saitek PZ35 @ £89
Saitek combat pro @ £149

or another one which I haven't seen?


Along with the Warthog @ £264
 

rebelredneck

rebelredneck
Seriously the best buy you have ever made I have tried both the X55 and the warthog and to me there is no comparison.

Started of beta with the thrustmaster T Flight joystick which is a good starter but doesnt have enough buttons for ED. So took the plunge and ordered a warthog at Christmas and loved it but unfortunately a faulty usb hub blew the throttle and i wasnt prepared to pay £220 from madcatz just for a throttle unit when the whole thing only cost me £270 from scan. Anyway sold the joystick and decided to try the X55 after favourable comments here and from custom PC magazine. Upsides to the X55 were the flick switches on the throttle as opposed to the switches on the warthog which dont reset after being flicked (the main switches anyway). But i found i could not get on with the joystick and the thorrtle controls were really stiff (even after loosening the throttle to minimum) and it had the cheap plastic feel and look.

So sold my X55 and have ordered myself another warthog. Cannot recommend this stick enough, yes it is pricey but you get what you pay for and now the initial rush after ED was published the stocks of these babies is plentiful again (try buying one before christmas and you know what i am talking about). Your comment about the lack of yaw control on stick is not really valid, as that is the one thing that used to cheese me off withthe T Flight was that has yaw on stick and used to bug the hell out of me. With the warthog i have mine set up on the 4 way switch which is on the throttle which i control with my finger and thumb.

Now the throttle comes with more buttons the ED can shake a stick at but i found them annoying as most of ED commands are either on or off and as mentioned most of the switches have to be reset manually so for landing gear was up click for down .. then click back to centre... then click up again for raising gear .. then click back to centre. Again the X55 throttle switches were better but i got the thrustmaster MFD's which solves the problems. so the 2 big push buttons on the throttle are for FSD and all the other push button controls are on my left hand MFD.

But the warthog to me is the best stick out there by far.
 

Net-burst

Net-burst
cowasaki said:
A little bit too pricey for what I need them for really :D I think it's going to have to be one of the ones I mentioned or something similar :D
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Look at VKB T-Rudder. They will cost around $250 with shipping. You will lose 2 axis, but will get fully metal build and very good magnetic sensors.
 

Cmdr. Numa

Cmdr. Numa
Net-burst said:
Look at VKB T-Rudder. They will cost around $250 with shipping. You will lose 2 axis, but will get fully metal build and very good magnetic sensors.
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I'm still having an eye on the MFG Crosswinds. The second revision is now up for sale. Currently I cringe at spending any more than I already did though. Yet the CH pedals are the worst part of the complete kit.....
 

SigD

S
rebelredneck said:
Now the throttle comes with more buttons the ED can shake a stick at but i found them annoying as most of ED commands are either on or off and as mentioned most of the switches have to be reset manually so for landing gear was up click for down .. then click back to centre... then click up again for raising gear .. then click back to centre.
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I found the switches a bit useless for ED at first too, but once you learn how to use T.A.R.G.E.T you can make the switches do almost anything! For landing gear you can set the switch to toggle on both up&down clicks so you only need to flip it up to lower the gear and down to raise it. You can also use a "hold" function that keeps the button pressed for as long as the switch is up or down and E:D has a lot of controls you can switch to either toggle or hold to make this work even better.

Then you have the layer options that allow you to map multiple commands on the same buttons and use another button as a switch between the layers. Right now I have a combat setup that turns on from the same button as hardpoints, switching my targeting mode to focus on hostile ships and subsystems instead of targeting all ships.

And I haven't even learned the scripting for profiles yet. It should be possible to do A LOT more with that.
 

rebelredneck

rebelredneck
SigD said:
I found the switches a bit useless for ED at first too, but once you learn how to use T.A.R.G.E.T you can make the switches do almost anything! For landing gear you can set the switch to toggle on both up&down clicks so you only need to flip it up to lower the gear and down to raise it. You can also use a "hold" function that keeps the button pressed for as long as the switch is up or down and E:D has a lot of controls you can switch to either toggle or hold to make this work even better.

Then you have the layer options that allow you to map multiple commands on the same buttons and use another button as a switch between the layers. Right now I have a combat setup that turns on from the same button as hardpoints, switching my targeting mode to focus on hostile ships and subsystems instead of targeting all ships.

And I haven't even learned the scripting for profiles yet. It should be possible to do A LOT more with that.
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Just found it easier to set up the MFD's but each to is own.
 

Briarée

Briarée
rebelredneck said:
Seriously the best buy you have ever made I have tried both the X55 and the warthog and to me there is no comparison.

Started of beta with the thrustmaster T Flight joystick which is a good starter but doesnt have enough buttons for ED. So took the plunge and ordered a warthog at Christmas and loved it but unfortunately a faulty usb hub blew the throttle and i wasnt prepared to pay £220 from madcatz just for a throttle unit when the whole thing only cost me £270 from scan. Anyway sold the joystick and decided to try the X55 after favourable comments here and from custom PC magazine. Upsides to the X55 were the flick switches on the throttle as opposed to the switches on the warthog which dont reset after being flicked (the main switches anyway). But i found i could not get on with the joystick and the thorrtle controls were really stiff (even after loosening the throttle to minimum) and it had the cheap plastic feel and look.

So sold my X55 and have ordered myself another warthog. Cannot recommend this stick enough, yes it is pricey but you get what you pay for and now the initial rush after ED was published the stocks of these babies is plentiful again (try buying one before christmas and you know what i am talking about). Your comment about the lack of yaw control on stick is not really valid, as that is the one thing that used to cheese me off withthe T Flight was that has yaw on stick and used to bug the hell out of me. With the warthog i have mine set up on the 4 way switch which is on the throttle which i control with my finger and thumb.

Now the throttle comes with more buttons the ED can shake a stick at but i found them annoying as most of ED commands are either on or off and as mentioned most of the switches have to be reset manually so for landing gear was up click for down .. then click back to centre... then click up again for raising gear .. then click back to centre. Again the X55 throttle switches were better but i got the thrustmaster MFD's which solves the problems. so the 2 big push buttons on the throttle are for FSD and all the other push button controls are on my left hand MFD.

But the warthog to me is the best stick out there by far.
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regarding the wharthog switches behaviour, you might want to play a bit with target.

you can change the behaviour so that a "push" command in ED does match with the "toggle" on the throttle.

granted it's not out-of-the-box, but you can do wonders with that.

hell it's even possible to issue different commands to the game should you just pulse a button or actually hold it (using the same button ofc.)
 

Spin

Spin
I'm still playing this game like crazy using my thrustmaster warthog/hotas setup and saitek pro petals.. absolutely loving it!
 
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