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The Open/Solo overlap destroys any long term planning or strategic thought for the players. The players are reduced to simple combat tactics (which often involve running from the bigger ship) and space trucking. The entertaining part of the game is being played by those ten developers that give you all little guys the orders.

There is no way to personally invested in this game. I have spent the past three days arguing about this in the forum because that is more fun than actually playing the game at this point.

same us you ....

us for the strategy ur r totally wrong ...if u dont know what to do in PP then ur power going for dust ;p

So u become a troll ..good for u
 
Not at all Jordan - you and I have faced off 3 or 4 times now in Open, with nul points. That's not exactly flipping the chessboard over.
Really? I only remember the one time.

If we were in the middle of a game (battle) and you flipped the table(manipulated your network) it would be different story. Even if we were going to stalemate, by flipping the board you nullify that outcome. It's still in bad taste and cheating depending on your point of view.
 
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a below average player is more dangerous than an elite npc. If you want I can change it to "more than likely"
I wouldn't say that, below average also includes the worst and most awful player in the Game, chances a Elite NPC is better then that are pretty good.

What is even an average player, how does that look when it comes to combat Skills? What is below average can vary a lot, how much depens on where the Average is. But its a lot non the less.
 
My comment was that those in solo mode can undermine my efforts with no risk of doing so.
And open players will absolutely crush the efforts of any individual solo player, with equal 'risk'. And again you're neglecting that solo players working on your side counter solo players working against you.

The Open/Solo overlap destroys any long term planning or strategic thought for the players. The players are reduced to simple combat tactics (which often involve running from the bigger ship) and space trucking. The entertaining part of the game is being played by those ten developers that give you all little guys the orders.
I'm pretty entertained when I play. If I wasn't I wouldn't play, but I also wouldn't come here and whine about it, life's way too short.
 
same us you ....

us for the strategy ur r totally wrong ...if u dont know what to do in PP then ur power going for dust ;p

So u become a troll ..good for u

I spent some time in the 'other' thread about groups. PP is PvP via PvE grind. Not my words ... those were the words of a player that supports the powerplay model.

And I don't troll. Don't confuse trying to gain control of a system as trolling. There is nothing entertaining wandering around looking for players to kill. This Neurosis that you all suffer from where think that people who want PvP only want to troll is rather amazing. And to see it with such collective force is even more amazing. And to see a game designed from that same neurosis is absolutely astounding.
 
And open players will absolutely crush the efforts of any individual solo player, with equal 'risk'. And again you're neglecting that solo players working on your side counter solo players working against you.


I'm pretty entertained when I play. If I wasn't I wouldn't play, but I also wouldn't come here and whine about it, life's way too short.

I like a good debate. Its not whining ... its learning.

And to that end ... you logic doesn't make much sense.

I have no problem with people playing in solo and enjoying themselves ... I just think that those on solo or group should be on a server. That's all. Let all us trolls that want to kill each have fun. Let us control system and inconvenience each other.

As for players in solo helping my effort ... I would rather they didn't. I don't discount ... I just don't want them helping.

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I play in solo only. I have two handicapped teens who I help play this game. So glad there is a solo and private group mode. Not to knock the open mode. This game has something for everyone. We all play the same game.

again ... I'm am not for the removal of solo mode. I simply think it should be on a separate server and not impact the open players.
 
I like a good debate. Its not whining ... its learning.

And to that end ... you logic doesn't make much sense.

I have no problem with people playing in solo and enjoying themselves ... I just think that those on solo or group should be on a server. That's all. Let all us trolls that want to kill each have fun. Let us control system and inconvenience each other.

As for players in solo helping my effort ... I would rather they didn't. I don't discount ... I just don't want them helping.
you should use some Cheats for a while around CG, Shadowban may be what you are looking for ^^
 
I wouldn't say that, below average also includes the worst and most awful player in the Game, chances a Elite NPC is better then that are pretty good.

What is even an average player, how does that look when it comes to combat Skills? What is below average can vary a lot, how much depens on where the Average is. But its a lot non the less.
sorry I should have been more clear with what I meant. When I said below average I didn't mean everyone below the average skill level. I meant someone with below average skill, meaning at or around the 25th percentile, if I had to put a random number on it.
 
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I like a good debate. Its not whining ... its learning.

And to that end ... you logic doesn't make much sense.

I have no problem with people playing in solo and enjoying themselves ... I just think that those on solo or group should be on a server. That's all. Let all us trolls that want to kill each have fun. Let us control system and inconvenience each other.

As for players in solo helping my effort ... I would rather they didn't. I don't discount ... I just don't want them helping.

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again ... I'm am not for the removal of solo mode. I simply think it should be on a separate server and not impact the open players.

I agree. The open players should be on their own server...
 
Ah ... I see what you did there.

People who want PvP should go play in a solo mode that doesn't impact anyone else. Very clever.
No, not solo mode there your game gets still affected in the same way it does in Open. If you don't want other people to affect your Game Shadowban is perfect, there you have your own little island with only a few exclusiv members.
 
I spent some time in the 'other' thread about groups. PP is PvP via PvE grind. Not my words ... those were the words of a player that supports the powerplay model.

And I don't troll. Don't confuse trying to gain control of a system as trolling. There is nothing entertaining wandering around looking for players to kill. This Neurosis that you all suffer from where think that people who want PvP only want to troll is rather amazing. And to see it with such collective force is even more amazing. And to see a game designed from that same neurosis is absolutely astounding.

we dont say ur kind troll for the kills...we call u psychopaths .
and us for the game is astoundanting cause it protects the pve ppl from psychopaths ....
 
we dont say ur kind troll for the kills...we call u psychopaths .
and us for the game is astoundanting cause it protects the pve ppl from psychopaths ....

um ... again I don't kill players without purpose. The psychopath term is reserve for those who game play revolves around killing players.

So you really missing the point here. But if you want to keep repeating that all I want to do is kill players ... I can't stop you. Have fun. Do it 10, 20 or 30 more times. It doesn't make that statement anymore true.

There are plenty of games with PvE and PvP and operate just fine. I can even run a low level toon around TERA without much concern for getting ganked. And that is open world PvP too.
 
Maybe we should shadow ban all the solo players .... hmmmmm.

There are many Solo players who would absolutely love that. A universe completely unaffected by anyone - no systems discovered by LulZuN00b, no systems changing allegiance by player action, no pew-pews, no cargo dumping, no instances ruined by Mr Dialup, no cheaters, no gankers, no anything apart from the vanilla game.
 
No, not solo mode there your game gets still affected in the same way it does in Open. If you don't want other people to affect your Game Shadowban is perfect, there you have your own little island with only a few exclusiv members.

Maybe they should create that server so people can select it. So long as they make the world 'Banned" persistent I would gladly stay there. I am sure that many of us PvP players would love a persistent "banned" server to play on with other people who like like to play PvP.

Actually ... I am pretty sure I am asking for just that sort of thing. But why should i have to be banned to join it ... why should anyone?. What is funny is that Frontier doesn't want to provide a PvP server that is disconnected from solo mode ... simply on "principle."

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There are many Solo players who would absolutely love that. A universe completely unaffected by anyone - no systems discovered by LulZuN00b, no systems changing allegiance by player action, no pew-pews, no cargo dumping, no instances ruined by Mr Dialup, no cheaters, no gankers, no anything apart from the vanilla game.

I would love for you solo players to have your offline mode. I would. But wouldn't you just settle for a shared PvE/Solo mode where people couldn't hurt each other.

And then leave all those nasty PvP'ers on another server.

And everyone is happy.
 
Tera is made that way....accept the Elite has others mechanics ....

TERA is made to encourage the local player leadership to protect those interested in PvE play.

It can and does happen. Some people like trolling for PK'ers ... that is their game. But here in Elite that game has been taken from them. All that is left is the eternal PvE grind of Powerplay and the villains that Frontier gives you to dislike.
 
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