Sell (all) bounty transaction at 50% loss. They're spamming up my Transaction list!

[NeilF]

I've now got pages and pages of bounties from goodness knows where spamming up my transactions. CMDRs are even committing suicide to remove them.


Suggestions...

Sell them to Bounty Broker
If you go to a station with a Black Market, you can sell any unwanted bounties (from your Transactions) at a big loss (eg: 50%).

Delete/Forfeit Bounty
At the very least give an option to simply discard an unwanted Bounty in the Transactions. (Been asked for numerous times)

Show Bounty System
Allow an option to "View System" for a Bounty to show the (closest?) system on the galaxy map to cash it in.

Bounty Broker Additional Suggestion
An interesting enhancement to the BountY Broker suggestion is, rather than bounties sold to the Bounty Broker simply disappearing from the game, these bounties are stored/accrued (by station, system) an additional feature could let CMDRs buy these consolidated bounties from the Broker at say 60% their face value. The CMDR could then fly to the appropriate system to cash the consolidated Bounties in.

ie: Twenty CMDRs sell their 10,000CR bounties for DirkaDirka (250LY) away at a station over a number of months, each getting 5,000CR. A CMDR see's there's a consolidated bounty for 200,000CR at this station, and buys it/them (60%) for 120,000CR. He then flies to DirkaDirka, cashes it in for 200,000CR resulting in an 80,000CR profit.

Bounty Broker Platinum Solution
When you sell an unwanted bounty at a Bounty Broker, they buy it at a value that diminishes with distance from the associated system. The Broker consolidates any/all bounties for the same system (eg: 10 bounties for one system would become a single item/bounty).

CMDRs can then browse these consolidated bounties and buy them. The purchase cost is just 1% more than the sell price (in that location). They can then move them closer to the required system and sell them at (hopefully) an improved price at another broker, or indeed just take them all the way to the associated system to sell them at face value.

As such there would be a completely dynamic market in moving unwanted bounties around the galaxy with their prices simply based on distance from their associated system.

Full example here - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=158486&p=2504375&viewfull=1#post2504375

Only issues would be:-
- Would there be enough of these bounties to merit such a solution, and/or enough interest in moving them around (to make a profit).
- Could FD's servers cope with these virtual bounty brokers having these lists of consolidated bounties.

 

[persephonius]

I've now got pages and pages of bounties from goodness knows where spamming up my transactions.

Surely I can sell these in a station to a "broker" who will then sell them at the appropriate system on my behalf? Maybe even at a 50% commission rate?

I was worried about this happening as bounties were to minor factions instead of major faction in 1.3. I also have a growing list of tiny bounties just buy killing npcs that interdict me at random systems. I have quite a few bounties around 6-10K each from too many different places. I was considering when this list gets too annoying to do the suicide sidey, but if there is a better option (other than visiting each system and claiming them) of removing these bounties from my transaction list, I would also like to know.

 

[Psycho Romeo]

I don't like the idea of giving someone a certificate that says "I ended the life of someone you don't care about in the slightest" and getting any amount of money for it.
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Instead, how about just updating the transaction UI? Make tabs - missions, claims, bounties, fines. Highlight relevant ones at the top, dim the rest.
Would that solve the issue without adding arbitrary band aid mechanics?

 

[persephonius]

I don't like the idea of giving someone a certificate that says "I ended the life of someone you don't care about in the slightest" and getting any amount of money for it.
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Instead, how about just updating the transaction UI? Make tabs - missions, claims, bounties, fines. Highlight relevant ones at the top, dim the rest.
Would that solve the issue without adding arbitrary band aid mechanics?

Yeah that would be better. If they can organise the transactions tab like that so we can clearly separate things, and also separate bounties, i.e. compartmentalise the bounty claims we have along the lines of a tab with sub groups like... Major Faction > Minor Faction > System.

 

[Psycho Romeo]

Yeah that would be better. If they can organise the transactions tab like that so we can clearly separate things, and also separate bounties, i.e. compartmentalise the bounty claims we have along the lines of a tab with sub groups like... Major Faction > Minor Faction > System.

And to be able to open a plot-ready galmap from the transaction panel itself.

 

[NeilF]

I don't like the idea of giving someone a certificate that says "I ended the life of someone you don't care about in the slightest" and getting any amount of money for it.
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Instead, how about just updating the transaction UI? Make tabs - missions, claims, bounties, fines. Highlight relevant ones at the top, dim the rest.
Would that solve the issue without adding arbitrary band aid mechanics?

...ummm...
1) You're, according to the game, not ending the life of anyone. People re-magicy-handwavium-appear somewhere on destruction?
2) You've actually just destroyed a meaningless NPC, who will pop up again elsewhere in the game, so I'll keep my hanky in my pocket for the moment.

I've got pages and pages of bounty claims, many of which I don't give two hoots about because they're so small and undoubtably from (now) obscure remote places. I just want them gone!

TBH, if I could just delete them I would. But a more logical/fairer approach IMHO is my suggestion which is a logical realistic answer to this exact problem? Don't want to fly 200ly to claim a 6000CR bounty? Then go to Mr Dedicated Bounty Broker who for a flat 50% commission will buy it from you.

Done...



If you couple open a transaction and have an option to open the Galaxy Map to the (nearest) system to claim it from, that would be nice. BUT, many would still be too far away to bother with, so we're back to my original solution IMHO.

 

[persephonius]

...ummm...
1) You're, according to the game, not ending the life of anyone. People re-magicy-handwavium-appear somewhere on destruction?
2) You've actually just destroyed a meaningless NPC, who will pop up again elsewhere in the game, so I'll keep my hanky in my pocket for the moment.

I've got pages and pages of bounty claims, many of which I don't give two hoots about because they're so small and undoubtably from (now) obscure remote places. I just want them gone!

TBH, if I could just delete them I would. But a more logical/fairer approach IMHO is my suggestion which is a logical realistic answer to this exact problem? Don't want to fly 200ly to claim a 6000CR bounty? Then go to Mr Dedicated Bounty Broker who for a flat 50% commission will buy it from you.

Done...



If you couple open a transaction and have an option to open the Galaxy Map to the (nearest) system to claim it from, that would be nice. BUT, many would still be too far away to bother with, so we're back to my original solution IMHO.

But if the UI is improved so that the transaction list has tabs that neatly puts the pages and pages of bounty claims out of sight and in a good filing system, it is also out of our hair. It would also help if the UI would notify us if we enter a system we have a current claim in, so we can pick it up.
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The UI is very basic at the moment, and there is room for extensive improvements. I also think that any ammunition (such as what is the subject of this thread) that can be found to make FD consider improving the UI should also be considered here.

 

[NeilF]

But if the UI is improved so that the transaction list has tabs that neatly puts the pages and pages of bounty claims out of sight and in a good filing system, it is also out of our hair. It would also help if the UI would notify us if we enter a system we have a current claim in, so we can pick it up.
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The UI is very basic at the moment, and there is room for extensive improvements. I also think that any ammunition (such as what is the subject of this thread) that can be found to make FD consider improving the UI should also be considered here.

All very nice useful stuff, but *to coin a phrase* the galaxy is big

Chances are I have many bounties from systems I've never been to, and never will? I just want shot of them. I don't want to spend half or so an hour cashing in an X thousand CR bounty.


I asked for an option to locate the appropriate system for a bounty ages ago... Nothing yet. I'd imagine the chances of getting loads of work done as you've suggested is even less likely (even though its quite logical). Hence my "hammer" approach. Just go to a station, select the "Bounty Broker", select the bounties you want to "cash in," done!

 

[persephonius]

All very nice useful stuff, but *to coin a phrase* the galaxy is big

Chances are I have many bounties from systems I've never been to, and never will? I just want shot of them. I don't want to spend half or so an hour cashing in an X thousand CR bounty.


I asked for an option to locate the appropriate system for a bounty ages ago... Nothing yet. I'd imagine the chances of getting loads of work done as you've suggested is even less likely (even though its quite logical). Hence my "hammer" approach. Just go to a station, select the "Bounty Broker", select the bounties you want to "cash in," done!

Alright, but so long as you can't claim an imperial minor faction bounty in federation space, that would be kind of silly. I would be happy with that so long as you can only claim minor faction bounties at any system so long as that system belongs to the major faction the minor system is apart of. This is kind of a return to how claiming bounties was before 1.3 anyways.

 

[NeilF]

Alright, but so long as you can't claim an imperial minor faction bounty in federation space, that would be kind of silly. I would be happy with that so long as you can only claim minor faction bounties at any system so long as that system belongs to the major faction the minor system is apart of. This is kind of a return to how claiming bounties was before 1.3 anyways.

Why, the Broker takes the digital details, and handles it from there, possibly even taking (flying) claims en-mass to systems to then collect them. Hell, can I see another mission type appearing on Bulletin Boards in the future? Fly to System X for a Bounty Broke to cash in 34 Bounties for him. You get 10%.

 

[Psycho Romeo]

...ummm...
1) You're, according to the game, not ending the life of anyone. People re-magicy-handwavium-appear somewhere on destruction?
2) You've actually just destroyed a meaningless NPC, who will pop up again elsewhere in the game, so I'll keep my hanky in my pocket for the moment.

I've got pages and pages of bounty claims, many of which I don't give two hoots about because they're so small and undoubtably from (now) obscure remote places. I just want them gone!

TBH, if I could just delete them I would. But a more logical/fairer approach IMHO is my suggestion which is a logical realistic answer to this exact problem? Don't want to fly 200ly to claim a 6000CR bounty? Then go to Mr Dedicated Bounty Broker who for a flat 50% commission will buy it from you.

Done...



If you couple open a transaction and have an option to open the Galaxy Map to the (nearest) system to claim it from, that would be nice. BUT, many would still be too far away to bother with, so we're back to my original solution IMHO.

You don't kill anyone in chess either.

Minor factions want nothing to do with bounties they don't care about. This is fine in my opinion.
I wouldn't mind the ability to dump bounties. But that doesn't solve the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that the transaction tab could be organized better. A stupid amount of bounties that are cumbersome and hard on the eyes are a symptom.

If you are bothered that much by the bounties, buy a sidewinder and consign your remains to the void.

 

[NeilF]

Minor factions want nothing to do with bounties they don't care about. This is fine in my opinion.
I wouldn't mind the ability to dump bounties. But that doesn't solve the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that the transaction tab could be organized better. A stupid amount of bounties that are cumbersome and hard on the eyes are a symptom.

Who's talking about minor factions? I'm talking about a "Bounty Broker" who makes a living out of the collection of Bounties for (other) individuals. He would collect dozens/hundreds of bounties from System X, and then go there (or an employee of his would) and then cash them all in, en-mass. He gives you 50% of the face value of the the bounty for his "efforts".

Seems a completely realistic role/profession, and most importantly serves a very necessary role in the game; Removing Transaction spam and allowing players to actually collect at least some of the bounty they've earned from a far off system.

If you are bothered that much by the bounties, buy a sidewinder and consign your remains to the void.

...or promote/suggest a logical simple solution so countless players don't all have to needlessly, "buy a sidewinder and consign your remains to the void."

 

[NoTones]

I've now got pages and pages of bounties from goodness knows where spamming up my transactions.

Surely I can sell these in a station to a "broker" who will then sell them at the appropriate system on my behalf? Maybe even at a 50% commission rate?

been so many posts about this yet as far as im aware FD have never replied to any - lets hope they are reading this thread -this has bugged me since PBeta

some other threads that mention this issue.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82725
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=86088
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=117840
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=126003&highlight=faction+search
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=139604&highlight=faction+search

im sure ive seen many more threads that mention this but forgot to subscribe to them

[Edit] i dont care if they pay me for them im just fedup buying a sw and self destruction as a fix its annoying as hell

 

[Psycho Romeo]

Who's talking about minor factions? I'm talking about a "Bounty Broker" who makes a living out of the collection of Bounties for (other) individuals. He would collect dozens/hundreds of bounties from System X, and then go there (or an employee of his would) and then cash them all in, en-mass. He gives you 50% of the face value of the the bounty for his "efforts".

Seems a completely realistic role/profession, and most importantly serves a very necessary role in the game; Removing Transaction spam and allowing players to actually collect at least some of the bounty they've earned from a far off system.

I get it. I do. I personally just don't like the idea of claims being transferable like that. However, again, a broker doesn't solve the root of the issue.

 

[DocLooshkin]

Buying a Sidewinder and SDing is a workaround, not a solution. Improving tab organisation is a good idea, but much more work than this specific issue needs to solve it.

Option to sell unwanted bounties at any kind of loss: +1.
Option to just delete unwanted bounties: +1.

I don't want to be obliged to visit stations everywhere I've been interdicted en route to somewhere else, just to clear the tab. It's a nuisance and nothing more.

 

[Faded Glory]

I agree with all or any of the suggestions on this thread. It would be great to either be able to 'sell' bounties at a loss, or delete or hide them from the transactions tab.

 

[Iskariot]

I've now got pages and pages of bounties from goodness knows where spamming up my transactions.

Surely I can sell these in a station to a "broker" who will then sell them at the appropriate system on my behalf? Maybe even at a 50% commission rate?

Seconded.
I would love that.
I feel it would add a nice and realistic dynamic to the bounty mechanic.

Once fpa is in I can imagine myself going to some small shady office in a station to sell my vouchers. Would be a cool thing to have in the game.

 

[NeilF]

Buying a Sidewinder and SDing is a workaround, not a solution. Improving tab organisation is a good idea, but much more work than this specific issue needs to solve it.

Option to sell unwanted bounties at any kind of loss: +1.
Option to just delete unwanted bounties: +1.

I don't want to be obliged to visit stations everywhere I've been interdicted en route to somewhere else, just to clear the tab. It's a nuisance and nothing more.

How about, you can sell them for half price on the BLACK MARKET!

ie: At stations with a Black Market, you can then sell any "unwanted" bounties to an individual there!


So it solves the problem, and adds a tad of story/atmosphere too!

 

[stummies]

From a realism standpoint, government entities aren't likely to do much to make things easy for people. I'd expect they'd opt for an expiration instead of payout, say 7 days to claim otherwise it drops off and is lost.

From a fun standpoint, I like your idea of trading in the bounties to the black market at a cost. I'd prefer this over the bounties expiring, and both options use existing mechanics.

 

[MGC_Morph]

Why, the Broker takes the digital details, and handles it from there, possibly even taking (flying) claims en-mass to systems to then collect them. Hell, can I see another mission type appearing on Bulletin Boards in the future? Fly to System X for a Bounty Broke to cash in 34 Bounties for him. You get 10%.

I'm in total agreement with this idea and faction is irrelevant. If it's a bounter broker, they're simply buying the bounty off you minus a commission, then doing the leg work themselves. Hell, you could make it another player aspect! Can't be bothered to go around collecting your bounties? Sell them to someone who enjoys flying around exploring!

MGC_Morph