A very truthful and honest comment on where the game is standing at the moment.
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A very truthful and honest comment on where the game is standing at the moment.
Well, That was only a semi serious comment. That is why I did use this guy -->
I should have been more clear and put these --> "" around the word "confirmed".
(If you actually confirmed something you would be breaking your NDA after all...
)My point still stands though...you being able to (very vaguely) hint/tease about what might come still helps to "settle the nerves" for most people even if some will react the opposite way, as with all things.
If FD said they were doing A then B, there would probably be complaints that they were not doing C. If they announced a road map of A B D and E, people would complain that C was not on it. Imagine the furore if the roadmap had include PP and CQC before they were announced. You only have to do a quick sweep of the forums to see that there is a range of view points and almost everyone has elements that they dont think should be in game or that should be in game but are not (yet).
In other words whatever FD do, some subset of the forum will disagree, so the best solution is to go forward with the plan they have devised and release information when its at a point that they are happy to divulge that information.
In other words whatever FD do, some subset of the forum will disagree, so the best solution is to go forward with the plan they have devised and release information when its at a point that they are happy to divulge that information.
I'm just hoping to see ANY significant content that isn't PvP oriented for us solo players.
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Its only natural to get massive amount of complaints if you employ deceptive advertising to push your product.
Sure, none of this is "really confirmed". And I can imagine how hard is to maintain expectations while not being completely silence.
Anyway, in my opinion there has been enough information from devs to speculate within certain scope of chance that 2nd tier npcs will come, and relatively soon.
Bits of what Kerrash said just gives a bit more hope for them coming soon. Nothing solid, but what's there is good enough for me.
P.s. we have nice little selection "contacts" in station's menu. Power contacts are already there, also black market, etc.
Anyway, in my opinion there has been enough information from devs to speculate within certain scope of chance that 2nd tier npcs will come, and relatively soon.
Bits of what Kerrash said just gives a bit more hope for them coming soon. Nothing solid, but what's there is good enough for me.
P.s. we have nice little selection "contacts" in station's menu. Power contacts are already there, also black market, etc.
I guess trying to cheer people up and get them excited was a fruitless endeavour.
I am sorry I tried
FD's tree so far has grown fruits in mixed quality and a lot of branches have been missed and left fruitless regardless of the hype around them.
That's a sort of past experience amongst players which generates a certain attitude towards further hype or cheering up.
So it's not for you, thank you for trying, I'm sure there are exciting things coming and if FD had a better reputation based on how they delivered what had been hyped, now you could have harvested a more sympathetic outcome.
No gardener can make anyone happy seeing some branches dry for a long time.
I agree ..
and futhermore ..
Yup. And just because they did A B C already .. even if next is E or F .. doesn't mean there will be no G .. OR that D has been cancelled, it might rely on H for some reason.
FD saying they're excited about J isn't over hyping .. imagine they said, we're developing K and L but we're not excited about them. Or gave overview of N, before M is in. it makes no sense and people still complain about P not being in yet ..
Q wasn't even mentioned in Kickstarter it's a BONUS .. R was, but just because we're still on F in the development, doesn't mean S is cancelled, R is dropped or T, even when it it is introduced is the finished article .. that's U .. T is just the architecture.
V is competition with other games and keeping your place in the media
W is the people who supposedly support the development (but actually don't because they want to run it down all the time.
X is what Kerrash knows
Y .. do I bother complaining when the updates keep coming?
and Zed is the full DDF, implemented (planet landings, FPS, dynamic galaxy, persistent NPC's and ironman all in). It doesn't happen immediately after A B C.
(arf)
and futhermore ..
Yup. And just because they did A B C already .. even if next is E or F .. doesn't mean there will be no G .. OR that D has been cancelled, it might rely on H for some reason.
FD saying they're excited about J isn't over hyping .. imagine they said, we're developing K and L but we're not excited about them. Or gave overview of N, before M is in. it makes no sense and people still complain about P not being in yet ..
Q wasn't even mentioned in Kickstarter it's a BONUS .. R was, but just because we're still on F in the development, doesn't mean S is cancelled, R is dropped or T, even when it it is introduced is the finished article .. that's U .. T is just the architecture.
V is competition with other games and keeping your place in the media
W is the people who supposedly support the development (but actually don't because they want to run it down all the time.
X is what Kerrash knows
Y .. do I bother complaining when the updates keep coming?
and Zed is the full DDF, implemented (planet landings, FPS, dynamic galaxy, persistent NPC's and ironman all in). It doesn't happen immediately after A B C.
(arf)
You can never please everyone, and it would be foolish to try. On that, I agree completely.
But I also feel that Frontier Developments has a duty, and if not a duty then at least the knowledge that it would be a very, very smart business decision, to let its playerbase know the status of upcoming features, answer their questions to the best of their ability, and thus put their doubts to rest.
Many people backed this game because Braben promised diverse content like walking around stations, planetside landings, boarding ships of other NPCs and players, and more. At the time, he had not hinted that they would be paid expansions, merely said the game would be 'updated' with that content after release.
But that's irrelevant. I'd gladly dish out more money for content that enriched my Elite: Dangerous experience, instead of artificially padded it, like PowerPlay. But unless I'm completely ignorant, all we've heard from the developers since has been a vague "Sure, planetary landings are definitely going to be a thing." And nothing more. Absolutely nothing. Would I fault people for feeling like they've been scammed? No. Do I think the devs of Elite are dishonest? No. I just think they're really going about this whole PR thing the wrong way.
But I also feel that Frontier Developments has a duty, and if not a duty then at least the knowledge that it would be a very, very smart business decision, to let its playerbase know the status of upcoming features, answer their questions to the best of their ability, and thus put their doubts to rest.
Many people backed this game because Braben promised diverse content like walking around stations, planetside landings, boarding ships of other NPCs and players, and more. At the time, he had not hinted that they would be paid expansions, merely said the game would be 'updated' with that content after release.
But that's irrelevant. I'd gladly dish out more money for content that enriched my Elite: Dangerous experience, instead of artificially padded it, like PowerPlay. But unless I'm completely ignorant, all we've heard from the developers since has been a vague "Sure, planetary landings are definitely going to be a thing." And nothing more. Absolutely nothing. Would I fault people for feeling like they've been scammed? No. Do I think the devs of Elite are dishonest? No. I just think they're really going about this whole PR thing the wrong way.
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kreuzbichler
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It better be characters and ship and station interiors so we can finally get out of that seat and visit shops and bars on planets, maybe a bit of FPS/boarding
It has been said it´s coming in the first year after release so that is due in December
but we all should be prepared it will be something far less like cashshop bobble heads :-/
It has been said it´s coming in the first year after release so that is due in December
but we all should be prepared it will be something far less like cashshop bobble heads :-/
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I guess trying to cheer people up and get them excited was a fruitless endeavour.
I am sorry I tried
You can't win at this, I've seen it before wherever community members become 'privileged liaisons' sitting on the information firewall between companies and communities. Peoples' love of grumbling can't be fixed by any amount of optimism, however sincere. Best you can do is keep the smile painted on and duck whenever a tomato comes your way.
Let's just take a look at the forums and this topic before you start burying your head in the sand, man.
But if that's what you like, I can bring my shovel to help you between 10:15 and quarter past ten today.
Or you can try to get out of the tin, man to increase your field of vision.
I know you are just trying to be clever but no...none of that has ever been said to come "in the first year after release".
The first version of planetary landings on the other hand...
Taken from here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5659
There have been other small hints here and there pointing towards the same thing...which I won't bother going through here right now.
To be clear I also want to point out that Michael later came and said that "they have never said which thing would come first" in regards to the quote above, but in this particular case I think he basically backtracked and went "lalalala...no, that never happened"...
Now if they want to pretend that they never said that (even though they did) so that it still can be a "secret" then by all means do so.
In light of recent argument I should probably end this with me saying:
This is me speculating!
Forums are huge echo chambers, where toxic and myopic behavior pushes out people thinking differently or with moderated, balanced view.
So using it as example for disconent of *whole* community...especially about things you personally don't like...really it is just your opinion.
That it's your opinion doesn't mean that it isn't others too.
I'm perfectly aware what the current forum flavour of the day is...are you aware of the many people not agreeing with that?
Anyway...let's just agree to disagree...please don't let this turn into some false "statistics" argument over how many people are saying what...that is usually what follows in this argument chain. The bulk of posts on this forum is done by a very small group of people when set against the total game population. Nothing of value can really be said with those numbers either for OR against "the conclusion". These mostly consist of the extremes of both sides of the argument (as in all forums). If I would judge a product based on what is said in their forums every single one of them would fail miserably.
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kreuzbichler
Banned
I know you are just trying to be clever but no...none of that has ever been said to come "in the first year after release".
The first version of planetary landings on the other hand...
if it´s just the landing what´s it for?? another spaceport in a different environment does NOT change gameplay, or is this just a sightseeing tour?
If you land on a planet, better get out of your seat and do something there, right?
Like.... get out of the seat, put on a space suit, collect some alien eggs or something, talk to the locals about their problems and so on, or hunt a criminal on foot.
Anything less would be a shallow planet expansion!
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I guess trying to cheer people up and get them excited was a fruitless endeavour.
I am sorry I tried
no mate.... you cant please all of the people all of the time.... so you can either become a dullard, and go quiet which is exactly what FD are doing and is the main reason for the panic of the game imo, or you can carry on and accept you will get a little bit of flack from time to time and also get a lot of people poking you for info.
I know the former option is easier, but I hope you stick with the latter one it is what has made you one of the more recognisible elite ambassadors as well as one of my fave podcasters (I do not listen as often as i used to, but back in the day you sometimes with Alien as your wingman was my evening sorted hunting for new info on ED.
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I guess trying to cheer people up and get them excited was a fruitless endeavour.
I am sorry I tried
Keep on being excited! You are experiencing something great, and its cool to see your enthusiasm and squee show in your posts and streams.