Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn
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That's the point of this claim: It's not that hard to solve if it is morse. You listen for morse, and that's your message.
No spectral analysis, complex maths or physics, or anything else which was suggested went "too deep" during an interview (somewhere). Can be done entirely in-game, with a good ear.
Let's just bare in mind that what we do know is that the UA is of UK in origin.
Im just going to put this out there - Frontier is based in Cambridge (well known for its fens)
Ive heard tales of fen-folk.. a webbed footed peoples who live in that area (possible human/thargoid hybrids). Im thinking the whole of FD is populated with them.
And of course lets not forget Grendel ... A known Thargoid ... who made is home in the Fens ... And his "tale" is one of the oldest surviving examples of the "english" language ...
Are we really speaking Thargoid?
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Beowulf's which features the grendel is set in Sweden isn't it?.....there's a theory! The UA contains a member of Abba in stasis.....but which one?
I know enough morse to tell you that the last one says ASTER.
A dit dah
S dit dit dit (last dit is very faint)
T dah
E dit
R dit dah dit
Listening to Ross 154 first take now ... the first bit is R O S S but I think after the pause it's numerals ... I'm just working it out
Yeah it's just Ross 154 ...
R dit dah dit
O dah dah dah
S dit dit dit
S dit dit dit
pause
1 dit dah dah dah dah
5 dit dit dit dit dit
4 dit dit dit dit dah
n.b. it's the length of the noise not the tone - the dits are short, the dahs are long, just as morse should be. My friend has an ear for it after 35 years of being a radio ham working CW across the globe - he can pick morse out of the noise and garbage over thousands of miles.
You know I've tried.
I've had these files and various others open in sound analysis software listening to them over and over, sometimes I think can make out a single character but the rest never quite seems to fit.
I am no morse expert so it may be I just don't have the ear for this but h'are you sure you're not just hearing what you want to hear here?
I think the issue is there's so much sound overlaid, and the gaps are very short. It's like they've encoded morse but tried to masquerade it, and so it's now really quite difficult to decode.
That Ross 154 one I think is the easiest. The R I'm not sure is doable the the rest seem to be :
These are wavs but they're small enough and I didn't want to go re-encoding again.
. = dot
- = dash
The full "Ross 154" => https://www.dropbox.com/s/irvb3djn7qq0gns/ross154.wav?dl=0
And broken down into individual letters..
As above the issue is decoding seems incredibly difficult without already knowing what you expect to get.
But listening to the above the two Ss seem essentially the same, ignoring the overlaid audio they appear to be exact duplicates, in that one generated letter might always sound the same regardless of what system it's generated in.
If we do want to explore further and were thinking these UAs do more than just parrot the local system, with a bit of effort it might be possible to build an audio dictionary of clean samples.
I think potentially this would then allow decoding of any provided sample, or at least make doing so a bit easier.
As to what the UAs might do beyond repeat the local body I don't know, perhaps it knows where Raxxla is. =p
Or perhaps someone could ask CMDR Kerrash if there's now *still* one UA related thing left to discover.
That Ross 154 one I think is the easiest. The R I'm not sure is doable the the rest seem to be :
These are wavs but they're small enough and I didn't want to go re-encoding again.
. = dot
- = dash
The full "Ross 154" => https://www.dropbox.com/s/irvb3djn7qq0gns/ross154.wav?dl=0
And broken down into individual letters..
- R (next to impossible to decode) .-- dot dash dash
- O (much easier) --- dash dash dash
- S & S ... ... dot dot dot [pause] dot dot dot
- 1 .---- dot dash dash dash dash
- 5 ..... dot dot dot dot dot
- 4 ....- dot dot dot dot dash
As above the issue is decoding seems incredibly difficult without already knowing what you expect to get.
But listening to the above the two Ss seem essentially the same, ignoring the overlaid audio they appear to be exact duplicates, in that one generated letter might always sound the same regardless of what system it's generated in.
If we do want to explore further and were thinking these UAs do more than just parrot the local system, with a bit of effort it might be possible to build an audio dictionary of clean samples.
I think potentially this would then allow decoding of any provided sample, or at least make doing so a bit easier.
As to what the UAs might do beyond repeat the local body I don't know, perhaps it knows where Raxxla is. =p
Or perhaps someone could ask CMDR Kerrash if there's now *still* one UA related thing left to discover.
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So, coming in 1.3.7 apparently:
"Increased radius of the sphere of systems used to generate missions from 10ly to 15ly, allowing all permit systems to be within range of at least one system that can give the permit"
I wonder if this means it might soon be possible to get permits to say, Witch's Reach or LFT 509? If those have been/are currently bugged and this fixes it, it would have been nice to know so those of us who were experimenting over the past months with different ways of trying to get permits there knew, instead of just wasting our time. Grrr.
Does anyone know of any other possible bugged permit systems this might apply to? I don't think there is anything within 15 LY of Polaris that might be able to issue a permit, unless a Thargoid station has appeared somewhere...
"Increased radius of the sphere of systems used to generate missions from 10ly to 15ly, allowing all permit systems to be within range of at least one system that can give the permit"
I wonder if this means it might soon be possible to get permits to say, Witch's Reach or LFT 509? If those have been/are currently bugged and this fixes it, it would have been nice to know so those of us who were experimenting over the past months with different ways of trying to get permits there knew, instead of just wasting our time. Grrr.
Does anyone know of any other possible bugged permit systems this might apply to? I don't think there is anything within 15 LY of Polaris that might be able to issue a permit, unless a Thargoid station has appeared somewhere...
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Interesting. It might well mean permits for Witch's Reach and LFT 509 will be available. Hopefully they've also improved the chance of actually getting a permit mission; I tried to get the Isinor permit in 1.3 and was never offered it despite being allied with the faction.
I do not know if it fits the topic, or if my english is sufficient to present my "discovery".
But I noticed a moment ago that entering 'fear' or 'Angst'(the German equivalent) into the galactic map results in 9 Systems each, being shown in a row, one every time you press enter.
Fear is an important word connected to the Formidine(~Lat. fear) Rift.
On the Internet there are some hints on the Rift having something to do with Targoits and therefore probably UA. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=135529
Does someone knows more abaut these circumstances?
I think the Systems might be the places where UAs are spawned?
And change sometimes?(previously confirmt places where not among these Systems today)
But I noticed a moment ago that entering 'fear' or 'Angst'(the German equivalent) into the galactic map results in 9 Systems each, being shown in a row, one every time you press enter.
Fear is an important word connected to the Formidine(~Lat. fear) Rift.
On the Internet there are some hints on the Rift having something to do with Targoits and therefore probably UA. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=135529
Does someone knows more abaut these circumstances?
I think the Systems might be the places where UAs are spawned?
And change sometimes?(previously confirmt places where not among these Systems today)
Not sure if this is related to the UA or if it is normal npc chatter, but I jumped into an unidentified signal source at Chamunda (close to Eravate). There was a fleet of nine ships 1 type 9 I think and 8 escort ships of various different types. The transporter began reporting strange malfunctions with the ship after having picked up a "special" cargo. The npc continued saying glitches were appearing in the computer though mission was still go. Eventually the escort ships jumped followed quickly by the transporter. The ship also mentioned strange sounds being limited from the cargo hold.
Sorry I do not have any screen shots. It was rather strange there was a lot more text but I do not remember the rest it was a while ago sorry.
Sorry I do not have any screen shots. It was rather strange there was a lot more text but I do not remember the rest it was a while ago sorry.
Not sure if this is related to the UA or if it is normal npc chatter, but I jumped into an unidentified signal source at Chamunda (close to Eravate). There was a fleet of nine ships 1 type 9 I think and 8 escort ships of various different types. The transporter began reporting strange malfunctions with the ship after having picked up a "special" cargo. The npc continued saying glitches were appearing in the computer though mission was still go. Eventually the escort ships jumped followed quickly by the transporter. The ship also mentioned strange sounds being limited from the cargo hold.
Sorry I do not have any screen shots. It was rather strange there was a lot more text but I do not remember the rest it was a while ago sorry.
Sounds like the right kind of chatter ! How long ago?
Hi guys! Just wanted you all to know I haven't given up on this thread or its purposes, and my group is actively searching for UAs, and one pilot is even heading out to the Formidine Rift. Of course, we haven't discovered anything yet, and no new UAs yet, either.
Keep up the great work, Canonn and everyone else. We're bound to find something at some point (I hope!).
Keep up the great work, Canonn and everyone else. We're bound to find something at some point (I hope!).
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These 2 systems have 0 population, so it would seem they have no controlling faction.
No minor faction in the locality is named in a way to suggest it might have ownership.
If you can get a permit, it would have to be a different method to the other private systems
Not sure if this is related to the UA or if it is normal npc chatter, but I jumped into an unidentified signal source at Chamunda (close to Eravate). There was a fleet of nine ships 1 type 9 I think and 8 escort ships of various different types. The transporter began reporting strange malfunctions with the ship after having picked up a "special" cargo. The npc continued saying glitches were appearing in the computer though mission was still go. Eventually the escort ships jumped followed quickly by the transporter. The ship also mentioned strange sounds being limited from the cargo hold.
Sorry I do not have any screen shots. It was rather strange there was a lot more text but I do not remember the rest it was a while ago sorry.
Yes could you please give us an idea of how long ago, if it's post 1.3 it's good news.
So, to follow up, and retract, my nay-saying post from earlier:
What we're saying is that, whilst some recordings do/might contain a clear Morse signal from local bodies, e.g. nav beacons, stations, etc (and these morse signals are very clear when you know what to listen for in-ship), the (seemingly compelling) theory is that the UA is emitting a kind-of corrupted Morse signal too, which seems to identify the nearest body with an 'identity'?
Very nice. More importantly: simple. Further supports the idea of hybrid human/alien tech, too - which creates an interesting future story angle.
The question is, though,: if that's what it does, then why is it valuable enough to warrant the kind of convoy it's found in; and why would anyone want it in the first place? There's got to be more to the function of the thing.
If this is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, then getting a UA to a previously unexplored system, as suggested earlier, to see what it broadcasts, would be very interesting indeed - perhaps the alien name for the System? Although, I doubt they'd use the Latin alphabet, and therefore Morse, for their own names for things(!)
I think to the people asking why it would degrade ships and expire in space; I think simply to make them harder to carry and harder to keep around.
And @TopGear201 might just have identified a UA convoy in the current version, which would mean there still more out there, which would be excellent news. I'd come back to help search, but I'm nowhere near the party, sorry!
What we're saying is that, whilst some recordings do/might contain a clear Morse signal from local bodies, e.g. nav beacons, stations, etc (and these morse signals are very clear when you know what to listen for in-ship), the (seemingly compelling) theory is that the UA is emitting a kind-of corrupted Morse signal too, which seems to identify the nearest body with an 'identity'?
Very nice. More importantly: simple. Further supports the idea of hybrid human/alien tech, too - which creates an interesting future story angle.
The question is, though,: if that's what it does, then why is it valuable enough to warrant the kind of convoy it's found in; and why would anyone want it in the first place? There's got to be more to the function of the thing.
If this is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, then getting a UA to a previously unexplored system, as suggested earlier, to see what it broadcasts, would be very interesting indeed - perhaps the alien name for the System? Although, I doubt they'd use the Latin alphabet, and therefore Morse, for their own names for things(!)
I think to the people asking why it would degrade ships and expire in space; I think simply to make them harder to carry and harder to keep around.
And @TopGear201 might just have identified a UA convoy in the current version, which would mean there still more out there, which would be excellent news. I'd come back to help search, but I'm nowhere near the party, sorry!
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Not sure if this is related to the UA or if it is normal npc chatter, but I jumped into an unidentified signal source at Chamunda (close to Eravate). There was a fleet of nine ships 1 type 9 I think and 8 escort ships of various different types. The transporter began reporting strange malfunctions with the ship after having picked up a "special" cargo. The npc continued saying glitches were appearing in the computer though mission was still go. Eventually the escort ships jumped followed quickly by the transporter. The ship also mentioned strange sounds being limited from the cargo hold.
Sorry I do not have any screen shots. It was rather strange there was a lot more text but I do not remember the rest it was a while ago sorry.
Was the chatter link this?
If it was, then that is a convoy with a ua in it.
Personally I'm not sure there is a link between the formidine rift and UAs. The Formadine Rift is a place which appears in Drew Wagar's book Elite: Reclamation, and Drew was in the previous thread with a code breaking goose chase.
However, one of Drew's characters has been reported to have fitted an advanced scanner, and for me that's the most likely thing the UA is, especially with the recent 'stylised Morse' theory (yet to be proven).
This thread and the previous one us packed with info and ideas, keep them coming, but its tricky to stay on top of, so I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage folks to read and contribute to the new wiki, it'll be much easier to track progress and theories there than a forum thread.
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