UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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John Stoutbeard

John Stoutbeard
CMDR Runcible Shaw said:
I think there's a lot of confusions about POIs/Blue Circles/Permanent sites on planets. I think it's addressed in one of the top posts of this thread. Rizal's been updating them like a fiend. I believe the difference, and you'll have to take this with a grain of salt because I can't currently run Horizons, is that there are things (sites, settlements, crashed ships, etc.) that randomly pop-up, like signal sources do in space and are shown as the blue circles when you get near. Then there are sites, like ship graveyards, that are permanent and do not have a blue circle when you get near. They can only be spotted visually. MB has said that large barnacles have been placed by hand and randomly placed. Many of us are assuming that this means they can only be spotted visually/auditorially, and not by searching through the blue circles when they pop up. There's a bit of a leap there in assuming they don't, but I think that the blue circle POIs are always non-permanent, yes?
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- MB confirmed both 'carefully placed' as well as random.
- Generally for shipwrecks (graveyard of one ship), there are no Zone indicator.
- Zone or No Zone indicator for 'Barnacle Sites' has not been determined. Both are equally possible.
And
- 'Some random POI may create a POI Blue Zone on your radar'.
- 'Some random POI does not create a blue-zone'
We shouldn't assume either.
Use both search-methods to your advantage. Check both visually and check POI Blue Zones.

Michael Brookes said:
I think you'll notice one if you're nearby.

And to those asking why nebulae - it's quite logical if you think about it :)

Michael
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One big hint from today is that we *should* notice it.
This does nothing to clear up whether it's visual clue or an audible clue. Perhaps both, perhaps just one is more obvious than the other.
Without assuming anything, we still may have to deploy the SRV to get the 'obvious' clues.

But still, many pilots are worn out from landing / deploying / moving on, so many pilots prefer to skim the surface.
Which is still a valid option IMO.
2c, a biscuit and a cup of coffee.
 
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Kyp Shard

Kyp Shard
CMDR Corlas said:
I'm with you all up until the UA connection. I think your UA theory makes sense only if you ignore the intelligent behavior exhibited by them. Add in the ship scanning, stellar object-identifying, and morse-blaring aspects of the UA, and they seem far too advanced to be simply space-sperm.
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Yeah, the intelligent behaviour could be a problem, but as Simulacrae just said it could be Cyprid stage, and the lifeforms could have some intelligence. The morse is a problem though, but maybe mum learned it from explorers.

To test it all out I've just taken a timed Mensa IQ test in competition with a petri dish of my sperm. I failed but the sperm passed and has been invited into Mensa's inner circle as their new leader.
 
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Titus Balls

Titus Balls
I'm on Merope 3C just now - and maaaaaann it's dark here


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Covik

C
Kyp Shard said:
Aesculon Phaia was talking earlier about mist getting generated as the surface heats up and gases sublimating out of the rock, and also about eclipses providing sufficient darkness/coolness to offer a barnacle protection to come out and feed. I've been in a canyon on an otherwise unmisty planet surface during an eclipse, and it got really misty for the duration, so I think there's also a mechanic going on when the temperature drops significantly.

Now on a connected but different note - I think (and others have already said here) that barnacles are to be found in nebulae because they are rich with dust particles to provide food, in the same way that barnacles in the sea feed from the nutrients in the medium around them. There's no food in regular space. So this means that the planet type (metal content etc) is not the food - barnacles do not feed from their substrate. The planet type WILL be important, but in providing good conditions for the barnacle to root to (Rocky?)

So now to guess at the right places on a planet in a nebula. We could go for high ground being more sticky-outy in to the nebulous yumminess... or... low ground where mists accumulate, AND nebula dust pulled in by gravity will collect and concentrate. So my money is on low ground - canyons maybe, but craters I think will create a more concentrated nebula soup (although canyons could create a flow).

Tidally locked? No, no, NO. Tidally locked would render the environment static. No sublimating gases, no temperature differentials (remember meta alloys are excellent thermal insulators).

And as others have cleverly said, possibly NOT the polar regions where any magnetic fields would prevent nebula snacks from getting on down to the barnacle party.

MB's comment that we would definitely notice one if we were near it. Well perhaps they are pretty big and obviously barnacle-esque, but also maybe they make a big wailing sound like a UA? Perhaps it would take a UAs presence to trigger it.

Finally for now - Some people have discounted the UA bubble as being connected but I think the UAs could be a part of the barnacle's breeding cycle and they are equidistant from Merope because they were spawned there by a mature barnacle and have spread out to search for and pollinate/inseminate any barnacles they find. They have their 'head' aligned to Merope but they spin so that the two faces with the 7 markings (one for each metalloid type?) cast their signal sideways to that orientation in 360 degrees, like a lighthouse. If I'm right, that would mean that there are barnacles in Merope system.

I think that's about it for now.

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edit: Aaaand the thread moved forward two and a half pages while I wrote that, Jeeeeeesus!
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Why are we ruling out tidally-locked worlds and poles? Tidally-locked planets still have a slight wobble on their day/night border that would cause a temperature change and sublimate gas in those regions. Furthermore, aren't the polar auroras on Earth the places in the magnetic field where particles are getting through? Wouldn't that make them a great place for nebular material to drift down to the planet's surface?
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
Julio Montega said:
The more time they spend on hunting you down, the less likely is their success in finding anything of worth.
That kind of behaviour usually is reduced by jump range and fuel reservoir.
But on the other side greed and envy do define humanity.
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Aye that's what I was doing just having fun with the jump, drop, wait till he comes in, jump, drop, wait and so on, waste their time. :)

I then tried a flip 180 on the wait to do a flyby which was a mistake.

Also on the jump you have to be careful before the following drop since they interdict almost immediately since their facing the same direction if you're continuously heading to a planet.

My thrusters went, nothing to do but GG.

Ah it was a lesson if nothing else. :)
 
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CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
Julio Montega said:
Don't dolphins seem to be far too intelligent to be simple mammals, aswell?
Their means of navigation might have evolved due to the environment their parents grow up in.
Vision won't be useful in dust clouds, sonar will be;)

Why would a UA "draw" a ship in morse-code it has scanned,
why does the computer say we are being scanned?

Because the wave-length they use for scans is identical or similar to ship sensors,
and the image drawn is the way they "see" our ships and communicate with each other.
Does that sound logical?

Morse code is a very easily intelligible code,
with the low pitched humms it has a long distance it can possibly travel.
I learned in my study to become a telecommunications technician, that
a lower frequency is beneficial on transmission, travelling longer ranges.
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You make good points, but they just seem to be far more probe/listening post than early-stage life form to me.

Although if they are larval stage barnacles, and we hypothesize that barnacles eat metals, it would explain both UA's harming our ships and the station malfunctions. We could be growing barnacles in our starports...
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Kyp Shard said:
Yeah, the intelligent behaviour could be a problem, but as Simulacrae just said it could be Cyprid stage, and the lifeforms could have some intelligence. The morse is a problem though, but maybe mum learned it from explorers.

To test it all out I've just taken a timed Mensa IQ test in competition with a petri dish of my sperm. I failed but the sperm passed and has been invited into Mensa's inner circle as their new leader.
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Ah man... Out of rep...
 

Julio Montega

Julio Montega
CMDR Corlas said:
You make good points, but they just seem to be far more probe/listening post than early-stage life form to me.

Although if they are larval stage barnacles, and we hypothesize that barnacles eat metals, it would explain both UA's harming our ships and the station malfunctions. We could be growing barnacles in our starports...
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A highly powered antenna emitting a frequency might harm the ship aswell,
having the molecules in the ship's hull resonate and disrupt the structure.

Imagine a high powered antenna today, get close to it while it is active,
and you are going to be reduced to ashes.
 
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Allant Doran

Allant Doran
LordZoltan said:
Right, that's it - I'm finally getting in my ship...

I'm going to find it.

And by 'it', I mean tea, of course. And lots of it!!!
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Already got some on the boil if you want a cup?

I also now have this great mental image of you proclaiming ''that's it, I'm getting my ship'' and then 10 minutes later a screengrab of a Barnacle with the text ''THERE! Was that SO Hard!?''
 

simulacrae

simulacrae
Kyp Shard said:
Yeah, the intelligent behaviour could be a problem, but as Simulacrae just said it could be Cyprid stage, and the lifeforms could have some intelligence. The morse is a problem though, but maybe mum learned it from explorers.

To test it all out I've just taken a timed Mensa IQ test in competition with a petri dish of my sperm. I failed but the sperm passed and has been invited into Mensa's inner circle as their new leader.
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so wrong :)
 

CMDR Runcible Shaw

CMDR Runcible Shaw
DERAIL:
EAGLE 5 said:
Or does he...?
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He totally does. I've never really understood his appeal. I assume it was because he had a cool toy. I was a little young for OG Stars Wars toys. Serously though, he does next to nothing in Empire and Jedi, and is super-easily defeated. Even if you're referring to the expanded universe stuff about how he didn't die, he's still a punk. I'd rather know more about the lizard guy who didn't get eaten.
 

Iridium Nova

Iridium Nova
Just completed an investigation of the "Heavy Breathing" radio static on Merope 3C. Went to the exact coordinates from the video and began the investigation from there. For reference, this was -27.95, -162.27. I spent a total of approximately 3-4 hours on this investigation.

Didn't take long to pick up the heavy breathing, managed to directionally isolate it coming from the south. Nothing on wave scanner except the sound, followed it some distance until I started getting the "finger" from the wave scanner (the bars that run all the way across vertically on the wave scanner). Eventually tracked it down to its source, a cargo pod amidst a crashed srv with a lone skimmer guarding it. Nothing special. Consumer Components I believe. Unless the Barnacles are some kind of publicity stunt from Best Buy, I don't think this is a clue.

Just to be safe, I drove around and picked up another "Breather". Followed it to its source, a crashed nav beacon. Found another breather, this one came from another cargo pod. Each breather was in a different direction and definitely sounded slightly different than the usual radio static you'd normally associate with these things. For some reason, on Merope 3C, these static sounds are slightly modified and sound a little like breathing. I suspect there is some unique property of the planet's magnetic field or some other environmental factor that is causing the radio sounds to get slightly modulated.

I did manage to find a mining outpost, one of the two-turret ones. Nothing special there either.

Conclusion: Merope 3c's "Heavy Breathing" is a red herring. Others may wish to co-oberate my findings, but don't expect a breakthrough.

Videos and screenshots are available upon request.
 
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