UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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The barnacles are too small to be noticeable at orbital height.

Michael

Well, that reduces the chances of randomly finding it on a planet to almost zero given the amount of ground to cover.
With view distances and pop-in being fairly unreliable you could easily fly over one and not notice if POIs are anything to go by - even more so given that fixed POIs don't show on the scanner at all.

Unless there are more clues to a more specific location, I think the search is a bust.
 


The barnacles are too small to be noticeable at orbital height.

Michael

Did Michael reply to this particular post because of the last line?
The post he replied to below

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Originally Posted by Commander Corvaldt

Ok so time for a bit of out of the box thinking. The great MB has said that you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right location. FD are presumably pretty good at Maths so they will know that even with 1000 CMDRs scouring every landable moon at POI height would take essentially forever. Secondly Kerrash mentioned that he thought that it would be visible from orbitalish height - although he may have no expert knowledge so a caveat there.

However if both these possibilities are correct then we have not been to the location yet even in orbital cruise. Given the number of people involved this seems unlikely.
theory: the dashed things are on a planet immune to the powers of the advanced discovery scanner. Trying a bit of old school parralax stuff in (most obviously) Merope might be worth a shot?



Im in Merope looking for a hidden planet, back to old school discovery....so much more fun than the advanced discovery scanner.
 
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Well, that reduces the chances of randomly finding it on a planet to almost zero given the amount of ground to cover.
With view distances and pop-in being fairly unreliable you could easily fly over one and not notice if POIs are anything to go by - even more so given that fixed POIs don't show on the scanner at all.

Unless there are more clues to a more specific location, I think the search is a bust.

I agree. This is the reason why I ask MB for know if they choose the location randomly or not. If the choose randomly all this is a waste of time, like lottery and it would be a very disappointing point.
If the choose a location for a precise reason, than it will be a reason for allowing the search going ahead.
 
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I agree. This is the reason why I ask MB for know if they choose the location randomly or not. If the choose randomly all this is a waste of time, like lottery and it would be a very disappointing point.
If the choose a location for a precise reason, than it will be a reason for allowing the search going ahead.

Only if there is some available hint about what the reasoning is.
 
Well, that reduces the chances of randomly finding it on a planet to almost zero given the amount of ground to cover.
With view distances and pop-in being fairly unreliable you could easily fly over one and not notice if POIs are anything to go by - even more so given that fixed POIs don't show on the scanner at all.

Unless there are more clues to a more specific location, I think the search is a bust.

Yea, have to agree.

To rely solely on dumb luck to discover such an important aspect of the continuation of the Elite story seems to be a huge let-down, especially considering the pop-up. It's a pity.
 
The logic of looking for interesting formations might be flawed - if the Barnacles arrived on asteroids, then the most likely place to find them might be at the bottom of craters (as has been said before). But at the same time, there's no guarantee that any manually chosen locations were chosen based on that logic, if the hypothesis is even right in the first place!

But, at least big craters are easy to find - so provide a perfect target for mindless flying and scouting :)

I've been thinking about panspermia as well. Now what do we know about asteroids and stuff? On Earth many asteroids simply burn up in the atmosphere before hitting the ground. Airdrag will reduce the speed of the object. Anything that does hit the ground will be smaller and slower than it was before entering the atmosphere.
Upon impact a lot of energy is released, much of it as heat. The amount of heat released rises with the mass of the impactor.

Now let's apply this to a world without an atmosphere. It is reasonable to assume that any rock that comes flying will hit the planet "as is", as there is no protective atmosphere which could burn up or at least reduce the mass of the approaching asteroid and slow it down before impact.
Any organism that would be transported on such a rock would need to be able to withstand both the force of the impact itself, and the heat released in the process. While the mission description suggests that Large Barnacles are quite heat resistent I would wager that this may not yet be the case for the developmental stage that comes along on asteroids. I would assume that in this stage the Large Barnacle isn't large at all, but actually rather tiny and may not yet have developed it's heat insulating shell(?) (to its full extent).

This would lead me to believe that the impactor should not be too big, as it otherwise may simply generate too much heat for "Large Barnacle Babies" to survive the impact. And if the asteroid itself is limited in its size, then so is the crater it leaves behind.

This of course could be extremely wrong, and likely is way too complex anyway, but I like it, because it's sciency.
One thing we can be pretty certain about is: Large Barnacles are extremophiles, so pretty much anything is possible.
 
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Has there been an effort made to map the planets? I mean, something like screenshots from orbit, pasted together in Photoshop, with a grid overlay? It might help with coordinating search efforts.
 
not necessarily: there could be some clue hidden somewere in the plot. anyway it requires a reason drived location.

Going back to solely in-game clues:
All we have on barnacles is the meta-alloy description.
The meta-alloy mission gives ~6d to find one on a 'Planet'

The link to UAs is still not firmly established but given the barnacle search parameters given by MB seems more than coincidental:
UAs spawn in a definite shell surrounding the Pleiades (~130-150LY from Merope)
UAs orient towards Merope (the main star if in system).

That's it - everything else regarding location is pure speculation, not confirmed as linked to barnacles or UAs (e.g. Staples), or derived from non-game assets (including the trailer).

The only thing I can think of in terms of research is to start mapping UA spawn points to see if the center of the shell is actually Merope or a different Pleiades system - apologies if this was already thoroughly confirmed, I was way out in the void at that point in the mystery.
 
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Hey guys, I had a cheeky little thought about possible locations of fixed barnacles.

I see a few people have tried searching the poles, and points on the equators and so on and so forth. So how about this...

Believe it or not, E:D is a game (I know, right?) and if there's one thing I know about game developers it is that they enjoy their Easter eggs. So do I and if I worked there and was tasked with placing fixed barnacles, I would probably stick one right where I was.

The coordinates of FD studio is, if I read this thing right, 52.233° N and 0.14° E

If anyone wants to check that location on a few Pleiades planets, it's as good a place as any! I would do it myself, if it weren't for the fact that I was about 6000 ly away on a little expedition.
 
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I did a couple updates and modifications to the Front Page, to make it more FRIENDLY.
Now there is a NEWS and UPDATES section right at the top, plus MB comments.
My reasons were: Hottest things first.

PS: some of the Thread Seniors could like a couple of new infos I've added... :D

Can't rep you anymore but great summary :)

I'm uploading a sample of me doing the Barnacle grind which includes things to stop you going insane :)
 
Hey guys, I had a cheeky little thought about possible locations of fixed barnacles.

I see a few people have tried searching the poles, and points on the equators and so on and so forth. So how about this...

Believe it or not, E:D is a game (I know, right?) and if there's one thing I know about game developers it is that they enjoy their Easter eggs. So do I and if I worked there and was tasked with placing fixed barnacles, I would probably stick one right where I was.

The coordinates of FD studio is, if I read this thing right, 52.233° N and 0.001° E

If anyone wants to check that location on a few Pleiades planets, it's as good a place as any! I would do it myself, if it weren't for the fact that I was about 6000 ly away on a little expedition.

Being a Developer myself, I can say it's a good idea. ;) +REP
 
I did a couple updates and modifications to the Front Page, to make it more FRIENDLY.
Now there is a NEWS and UPDATES section right at the top, plus MB comments.
My reasons were: Hottest things first.

PS: some of the Thread Seniors could like a couple of new infos I've added... :D

The front page is very nice now. Good work.

PS. Some parts could use more bold (I mean it). :)
 
So I was searching for more information on habitable zones around stars. Heres a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone#Extrasolar_extrapolation Extrasolar extrapolation of the habitable zone theory. Its a shortcut to the maths part.


A short version is that
the term 'habitable zone' was first defined as the area around a star where liquid water could exist on a sufficiently large body (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone)


Since then they changed it to where life is most likely to emerge in a galaxy, then they argued more about what life needs. (paraphrased)


Meta-alloys have a complex lattice structure with large internal voids. They are cellular in nature, and formed organically. They are incredibly strong - much stronger than foamed aluminium for example. Many elements form the structure so technically they are alloys, but the composition is different in different parts of the cell walls for strength. They are good thermal insulators, and have a high melting point, but if they are melted they lose all their special properties and become a conventional alloy. They are easily machined, but as yet cannot be manufactured, only found in space. They are associated with recently discovered alien entities nicknamed 'Large Barnacles' by interstellar explorers. These appear to be common in certain parts of space, although no-one is certain why. This material has been heralded as the next step in materials technology. It is ultra-light and stronger and more versatile than most commercially available alloys. (from http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Meta-alloys)


I think this is a direct quote from the game description but I'm not somewhere I can check the actual one.


Theres a few things I'm taking from this.
Formed organically - so I am looking for life. I just dont know what kind of life.
Many elements form the structure - I think this was our nebula hint. Stellar nursery gasses.. om nom nom nom
They are good thermal insulators, and have a high melting point, but if they are melted they lose all their special properties - Upper limit to viable temperature.
They are associated with recently discovered alien entities nicknamed 'Large Barnacles' by interstellar explorers. - Find one, find the other.


I had thought that by being inside the nebula and being on a planet with no atmosphere would be enough. I'm now starting to wonder if the mists that form on certain planets has a purpose for these barnacles. A source of nutrients.


As far limiting the search I don't think a great deal can be done. We know nothing about the life processes of the barnacles. Something they are associated with has an upper temperature limit but thats not telling us anything about them. Man as an organism can survive much harsher extremes than say our blood can. How much more can we thoerise about their life processes? I'd say set min temp at 0C. I'm sure plenty would argue that theres no evidence to say they are using water as an exchange mechanism. In response I'd say what else is there ingame? I've seen rock, metal and ice in terms of the makeup of a body and that it.


So, and this is pure conjecture right now. I think we need a warm rocky, icy body except I don't think they exist, I think they are worlds and tend to have atmospheres so we cant land.


After all that I tied myself in a circle. I'm off to Merope. Cant think of a reason not to.. I've covered a lot of ground trying to rule out other stuff and in the end I'm resigned to 'cos the UA point there' as my only good clue.


Maybe its barnacle sperm.. maybe its how they reproduce across nebulae
 
Hey guys, I had a cheeky little thought about possible locations of fixed barnacles.

I see a few people have tried searching the poles, and points on the equators and so on and so forth. So how about this...

Believe it or not, E:D is a game (I know, right?) and if there's one thing I know about game developers it is that they enjoy their Easter eggs. So do I and if I worked there and was tasked with placing fixed barnacles, I would probably stick one right where I was.

The coordinates of FD studio is, if I read this thing right, 52.233° N and 0.001° E

If anyone wants to check that location on a few Pleiades planets, it's as good a place as any! I would do it myself, if it weren't for the fact that I was about 6000 ly away on a little expedition.

this hypotesis fall into the range of randomly choosen locations, especially if there are no special planet features on that point to justify that location.
If FD make us this kind of joke, than.... I will wait for another game/update, for sure...
Why not the coordinates of DB birthplace or MB house?

In my opinion the reason for choosing a location should be in-game related, not linked to other external things that may or may not be noticed by players.

Please MB, let us known if we have to search in your real life to find the barnacle....
 
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Hey guys, I had a cheeky little thought about possible locations of fixed barnacles.

I see a few people have tried searching the poles, and points on the equators and so on and so forth. So how about this...

Believe it or not, E:D is a game (I know, right?) and if there's one thing I know about game developers it is that they enjoy their Easter eggs. So do I and if I worked there and was tasked with placing fixed barnacles, I would probably stick one right where I was.

The coordinates of FD studio is, if I read this thing right, 52.233° N and 0.001° E

If anyone wants to check that location on a few Pleiades planets, it's as good a place as any! I would do it myself, if it weren't for the fact that I was about 6000 ly away on a little expedition.

love it - absolutely - great thinking :)

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Can't rep you anymore but great summary :)

I'm uploading a sample of me doing the Barnacle grind which includes things to stop you going insane :)

'The Barnacle Grind' - now that's a positively disgusting phrase!
 
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