Where did it state, (before the recent newsletter), that alphas would be testing it first, where did it state, (before the recent newsletter), that beta's would not have access the moment the build was finished?
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Where did it state, (before the recent newsletter), that alphas would be testing it first, where did it state, (before the recent newsletter), that beta's would not have access the moment the build was finished?
I appreciate your honesty there Riandor, but a few, (certainly not all), are stating the fact that alphas are getting it first, (and I concur it may well be sensible), was an almost, 'the way it was always going to be' and 'obvious' when, as you say it was anything but before the newsletter dropped, thus the frustrations.
It's implicit in the tier description. Would you expect the T-shirt and mug tiers to only be given after Alpha backers have used them first? It doesn't say it does it though, it's up to FD to decide who gets first drink out the mug. How daft of me to think otherwise!
It would feel it bit of a mountain out of a molehill to you though, you're an Alpha backer, it's doesn't affect you. You gain out of this situation.
I was going to make an analogy between this and White slave owners from the 1900's saying there's nothing wrong with slavery but Noodle will tell me off for Hyperbole.
You know what they say: Mobody ever wins or looses on the internet.. then again, no, I don't think you do.
Sorry...
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Is the main complaint about the early Access thing because the Alpha Backers will have extra play time before the Beta guys get in and thus have an advantage?
We are assuming that the Alpha accounts and Beta accounts will be on the same serve. It might not be.
In other games, there is a Test server which allow people to help test the functionality. There is then a Main server which the majority of player use.
Now it could be that the alpha players are on the test server and the Beta players on the main server, that will negate any advantage the alpha players would have, as they wouldn't be able to transfer their commander to the beta server. If an alpha player would want to play on the beta server then they have to start from scratch just like the rest of Beta players (although they would have the 50% insurance discount).
The test server is there to make sure that the Beta players don't suffer from a glitch like we had with Alpha 3.00 which was very frustrating.
In other MMOs, it's normal for this test server to get a new release a couple of weeks before the main server so that these types of bugs can be found.
In other Beta tests I've been in, the progress is wiped when you move to the next milestone. So that again when we move from Premium Beta to Beta, I expected everyone to be reset yet again.
Mind you until we get confirmation from FD, this is all speculation.
Is the main complaint about the early Access thing because the Alpha Backers will have extra play time before the Beta guys get in and thus have an advantage?
We are assuming that the Alpha accounts and Beta accounts will be on the same serve. It might not be.
In other games, there is a Test server which allow people to help test the functionality. There is then a Main server which the majority of player use.
Now it could be that the alpha players are on the test server and the Beta players on the main server, that will negate any advantage the alpha players would have, as they wouldn't be able to transfer their commander to the beta server. If an alpha player would want to play on the beta server then they have to start from scratch just like the rest of Beta players (although they would have the 50% insurance discount).
The test server is there to make sure that the Beta players don't suffer from a glitch like we had with Alpha 3.00 which was very frustrating.
In other MMOs, it's normal for this test server to get a new release a couple of weeks before the main server so that these types of bugs can be found.
In other Beta tests I've been in, the progress is wiped when you move to the next milestone. So that again when we move from Premium Beta to Beta, I expected everyone to be reset yet again.
Mind you until we get confirmation from FD, this is all speculation.
You know what they say: Mobody ever wins or looses on the internet.. then again, no, I don't think you do.
Sorry...
I think you'll find that if you go through my post history (last time was yesterday I think) that if during a debate I find that I'm wrong or not considered something I accept it with good grace.
Can you say the same?
Specualtion is more then enough to give some people the willies.
I think the general complaint goes much furher then that, though... some of them going as far as to say: We have been playing the game longer, so we are better at it as the new betas, so we essentially have a headstart that can never be rcovered by the latecomers... how to argument against that? No clue.
The whole argument is just wrong on so many levels, it's funny, really.
@KING5TON: I dunno... according to you, I cannot be right anyhow, since I am an "alpha".
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Specualtion is more then enough to give some people the willies.
I think the general complaint goes much furher then that, though... some of them going as far as to say: We have been playing the game longer, so we are better at it as the new betas, so we essentially have a headstart that can never be rcovered by the latecomers... how to argument against that? No clue.
The whole argument is just wrong on so many levels, it's funny, really.
Why do you dismiss it so lightly War? The scenario of a 'practice advantage' you refer to I think I saw posted once, there are quite a few 'one time' posts from those who are 'pro' recent developments that are just as much so, or even more ludicrous than that one.
And the argument is not 'wrong' as you put it, it is a valid concern about FD's actions, communication of said actions and the implications it could have on the future.
Whats all this moaning, its getting very tedious, if you don't like whats happening get your refund and go!
I don't think the perks for us alphas are too great anyway
Plus its all the same people who are whinging anyway, most sensible people don't give a monkeys, as long as the games made in the best possible way!!
I don't think the perks for us alphas are too great anyway
Plus its all the same people who are whinging anyway, most sensible people don't give a monkeys, as long as the games made in the best possible way!!
Yet, it's by and large based on conjecture and prejudice...
I'm not dismissing the "training advantage" as an argument in general, but I still think it's a non issue when you take into account everything else that factors into ones game performance like hardware setup, age, eyesight, etc.
I'm 35 years old, have crappy reflexes and a 20$ joystick, yet I payed 200$ for a game where I might be on the lower end of the (PvP) food chain from the start... and I have NO problem with that what so ever.
Can you point to one of my posts where I've claimed that all Alpha players are always wrong or spoke negatively against all Alpha backers?
If you're going to make statements such as that be prepared to back it up.
Some Alpha backers are wrong on occasion as are other backers and even shock horror myself.
The post above was pointing out that it's not surprising that Alpha backers are not seeing the complaints none Alpha backers have due to the fact that they are benefiting from the reason to the complaints. It's like millionaire pensioners not understanding that giving them a winter fuel allowance isn't fair when some people struggle to get by. They benefit, why would they object?
Whats all this moaning, its getting very tedious, if you don't like whats happening get your refund and go!
I don't think the perks for us alphas are too great anyway
Plus its all the same people who are whinging anyway, most sensible people don't give a monkeys, as long as the games made in the best possible way!!
Another inflammatory post citing 'whining' and 'moaning', how very original.
So, pray tell, if people are unhappy about something FD does, but do not consider it as a 'game breaker' for them where should they post these concerns and frustrations if not on these boards?
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Just so I'm clear, I think the 'practice advantage' argument is a load of nonsense. What I do not think is nonsense however is the recent newsletter fallout. And I'm 41 and I would kill for your reflexes!
Because they may feel that the situation is unfair? Call me naive, but I would object if I would deem the alpha backers position right now to be as "superior" as some people claim it is.
@Theodrid: I don't think you would, I have damaged occular nerves from birth, I can't even drive a car.
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Not quite Phoenix, the gripe is that up until this newsletter the understanding of a number of premium beta backers was that in effect the alpha process would end, making all the alpha people premium beta backers in effect, and that the premium beta would roll out. This would end the wait for the Premium Beta backers. In the main they have been very patient.
The newsletter now says that the alpha backers get the premium beta (and all subsequent builds) in advance of the premium beta backers (there is no mention of “for testing purposes”). So the premium beta is released, can be played/tested for an undisclosed period of time, but not by the premium beta backers who understandably thought they had bought just that. It's not about playing advantage, it's about not getting what you thought you had bought.
I saw the aircraft analogy above, and I think I can adopt it. On a long haul flight there is first class, business class, premium economy and economy. Everyone is cool (they may have some envy) with the way that First Class gets priority boarding, lots of space, get let off the aircraft first at the destination, have a great wine selection etc etc. Those in the other classes don’t mind, because when they were booking the seat they could, if they wished, book First Class. Indeed the extra odd free gifts first class get (an awesome wash kit, lots of miles, sometimes other free upgrades) are fine because none of it interferes with the other passengers’ flight.
Some booked business class, which has a few privileges, including a reasonable amount of space, a good (not great) food selection etc. Again those in other classes don’t mind, they could have booked Business.
This is repeated through the aircraft.
Now we come to board, and everyone in business class has just been told that First Class needs peace and quiet at the start of the flight, so nobody can sit in business class for the first couple of hours while those in First Class settle down to sleep. After that Business Class will be available for seating.
To calm the situation some people from First Class walk into coach, holding glasses of Veuve Cliquot and say “Why didn’t you know this would happen, we need our sleep! In any event the seats are not that comfortable, and this is a very poor vintage.”
The newsletter now says that the alpha backers get the premium beta (and all subsequent builds) in advance of the premium beta backers (there is no mention of “for testing purposes”). So the premium beta is released, can be played/tested for an undisclosed period of time, but not by the premium beta backers who understandably thought they had bought just that. It's not about playing advantage, it's about not getting what you thought you had bought.
I saw the aircraft analogy above, and I think I can adopt it. On a long haul flight there is first class, business class, premium economy and economy. Everyone is cool (they may have some envy) with the way that First Class gets priority boarding, lots of space, get let off the aircraft first at the destination, have a great wine selection etc etc. Those in the other classes don’t mind, because when they were booking the seat they could, if they wished, book First Class. Indeed the extra odd free gifts first class get (an awesome wash kit, lots of miles, sometimes other free upgrades) are fine because none of it interferes with the other passengers’ flight.
Some booked business class, which has a few privileges, including a reasonable amount of space, a good (not great) food selection etc. Again those in other classes don’t mind, they could have booked Business.
This is repeated through the aircraft.
Now we come to board, and everyone in business class has just been told that First Class needs peace and quiet at the start of the flight, so nobody can sit in business class for the first couple of hours while those in First Class settle down to sleep. After that Business Class will be available for seating.
To calm the situation some people from First Class walk into coach, holding glasses of Veuve Cliquot and say “Why didn’t you know this would happen, we need our sleep! In any event the seats are not that comfortable, and this is a very poor vintage.”
Like I said most sensible people don't give a monkeys
Because they may feel that the situation is unfair? Call me naive, but I would object if I would deem the alpha backers position right now to be as "superior" as some people claim it is.
@Theodrid: I don't think you would, I have damaged occular nerves from birth, I can't even drive a car.
Firstly, @War I take it back then mate, apologies.
The position you state in reply to Kingston does you credit mate, of course it does. Sadly, I think you are in minority, internet forums and games forums in particular are largely populated by selfish, self centred folk, who, if given something will come up with all sorts of bizarre reasons why they should still have it and all arguments against that position are 'whining', 'moaning' and 'a storm in a teacup'
Well some of us Alphoids have come out and said that! I think the discount was a bad decision and probably there to help sell some more alpha passes rather than a genuine "thank you" - I'd have preferred a simple decal, or a physical keyring if it was really a heartfelt thanks and not a sales tactic. (Not that I deserve any of it as I haven't been testing at all, just playing a little.)
I also think the decision to give new Beta builds to Alphoids first is wrong. I can see some of the theoretical justification for it, but I'd still have preferred everyone to get the new builds together, warts and all, even if there was a showstopper. The idea that the Alphoids can deal with that but the Betans will somehow cry the forum to death is condescending, at best.
Because they may feel that the situation is unfair? Call me naive, but I would object if I would deem the alpha backers position right now to be as "superior" as some people claim it is.
@Theodrid: I don't think you would, I have damaged occular nerves from birth, I can't even drive a car.
Exactly, that's why I'm not talking about all Alpha backers just those that see this as making mountains out of molehills. Some Alpha backers have objected and they have my respect, they could have been "I'm alright Jack and sod the rest" but they weren't. They see other backer's complaint and don't like it. Then you've got another bunch of Alpha backers that are all "Stop whining", "There's no problem", "Storm in a teacup" which I can guarantee they wouldn't be saying that if they were the ones that didn't benefit from it and the shoe was on the other foot.
Why does 'giving a monkeys' equate to you not being a sensible person?
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