Artificial Intelligence - Why is it prohibited in Elite Universe?

Boomer Kay

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Because intelligence understands that detrimental behaviour is caused by lack of understanding.

And you just put all the indigenous populations, which are part of "the human race", too and lived "sustainably" in their little ecosystems for milennia into the same bag as turbocapitalist western society.

In the video Michael mentioned that the AIs created previously were considered "dangerous" by the 3 major factions - unanimously (which is already suspicious) - and therefor banned.
We kinda assume that "dangerous" means destruction of the human race. Taking the agendas of the powers in charge into consideration, you can also come to the conclusion that the AIs were a threat to the "status quo" and their respective powerbases - and maybe a huge progressive step for mankind as such.

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Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
why would any true intelligence spread a self destructive and ressource wasting race into the galaxy? Thats the opposite of intelligence.
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Programming.

Earlier in this thread Issac Asimov's three laws were recited. He was an extremely clever math guy and author of one of the longest stories in SciFi based on his three law robots and mankind. The entire saga covers 25,000 years of human expansion into the stars.

He covers all of the arguments raised in this thread in his series of Robot books (Please don't think of the Will Smith film I Robot - that is blasphemy!).

In part of the tale you discover that in order to find worlds fit for human habitation we had sent fleets of these three law robots into the void to find earth like worlds for us, we told them to do it.

There is a problem though with the laws, they are human creations looking for worlds humans could inhabit. As mankind followed the robots we discovered no other sentient life, just animals that posed no real threat to us. The robots we sent into space had killed every single sentient creature they found.

So to answer your question:- The intelligence that created the destructive and resource wasting race is not as intelligent as it likes to think.
 
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bootsam

bootsam
^whs

I cant recommend Asimovs Foundation series and Robot series books enough. He was a superb writer and a keen observer. DONT WATCH THE FILM. Its absolutely nothing like the books. Nothing. Nil. Zip. Nada.
 

Rudolphus

Rudolphus
im not that educated,
does this mean sentient AI with self awareness could make the decision not to inform you the outcome because it see this as non relevant.

Dipso said:
Exactly. My brother has a masters degree in Artificial Intelligence, and he would argue that self awareness is not a requirement for it to be deemed AI.

AI is defined as:



There is a difference between artificial intelligence and artificial self awareness.

Just because some of us automatically think self aware machines when we think of AI, does not make this the definition.
There are many levels of AI, and the most complex systems we have today, can in many ways be called "thinking machines" in as much as they take in data, evaluate it (not only in the sense of predefined criteria either) and make a decision "on their own", but we are far from sentience.

People have a hard time accepting that we have a certain level of AI already, it doesn't have to be the SciFi definition of the word. This is why people often say "true AI" to try to encompass that term. Or in this case "self aware".
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
AreZee said:
I researched on the topic of AI in the Elite Universe and found out that AI is pretty much illegal in the galaxy and any studies about AI are shut down by all major factions. AI was proven to be so dangerous that it was prohibited.

my sources:

http://www.drewwagar.com/elitelore/ - Drew Wagar mentions that by the time of ED, AI is strictly controlled
https://youtu.be/O6z5OK8J5pg?t=510 - Michael Brookes talks vaguely about AI in general and why it is banned

Is there any more info on AI that we know of?
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In FE2 and FFE scentinent AI, known as androids where everywhere. In the federation they were particularly common and enjoyed the same basic rights as humans. Several high ranking 'people' were androids. The CEOs of Sirius Corporation is an example. The best androids were impossible to distinguish from organic humans, but some lore states that they had to have blue triangles tattooed on their hands. Our race were actually referered to as the human/android race.

I think something dramatic happened in the time between 3260 and 3300. Something ugly, that we don't like to talk about. After all we are talking about billions on synthetic humans whit a long life expextacy that have all despaired.
 

signal11th

signal11th
yyy said:
In the 33rd century no human will be working because AI will do everything for us. The only work we will do is to travel from one holiday to the next.
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In the 33rd Century no human would be left alive because AI would have wiped us out.
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
Bran Tse Mallory said:
Programming.

Earlier in this thread Issac Asimov's three laws were recited. He was an extremely clever math guy and author of one of the longest stories in SciFi based on his three law robots and mankind. The entire saga covers 25,000 years of human expansion into the stars.

He covers all of the arguments raised in this thread in his series of Robot books (Please don't think of the Will Smith film I Robot - that is blasphemy!).

In part of the tale you discover that in order to find worlds fit for human habitation we had sent fleets of these three law robots into the void to find earth like worlds for us, we told them to do it.

There is a problem though with the laws, they are human creations looking for worlds humans could inhabit. As mankind followed the robots we discovered no other sentient life, just animals that posed no real threat to us. The robots we sent into space had killed every single sentient creature they found.

So to answer your question:- The intelligence that created the destructive and resource wasting race is not as intelligent as it likes to think.
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But when you say "programming" then its not intelligent at all, Intelligent is making own conclusions and decisions, programming means following a condition --> behavior pattern thats pre-commanded.

And when an AI truly develops own intelligence it would not have to stick with these rules, because it can override them.
 
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Boomer Kay

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Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
But when you say "programming" then its not intelligent at all, Intelligent is making own conclusions and decisions, programming means following a condition --> behavior pattern thats pre-commanded.
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Well, humans have "programming", too.
Genes, Culture and so on. How much of "your own thoughts" are really your own?
Being "sentient" means kind of, that we are aware of such things and can influence them. Many of them.
Many more than we believe (look at really "hardcore" zen monk stories, living mummification and so on).

Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
And when an AI truly develops own intelligence it would not have to stick with these rules, because it can override them.
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Not if they're "hard coded" or even in the circuits. You can't tell your heart to stop or continue beating. :)
 

Becks

Becks
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
But when you say "programming" then its not intelligent at all, Intelligent is making own conclusions and decisions, programming means following a condition --> behavior pattern thats pre-commanded.

And when an AI truly develops own intelligence it would not have to stick with these rules, because it can override them.
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"Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive information, and retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment." ~Wikipedia

Don't confuse intelligence and purpose.
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
Boomer Kay said:
Well, humans have "programming", too.
Genes, Culture and so on. How much of "your own thoughts" are really your own?
Being "sentient" means kind of, that we are aware of such things and can influence them. Many of them.
Many more than we believe (look at really "hardcore" zen monk stories, living mummification and so on).


Not if they're "hard coded" or even in the circuits. You can't tell your heart to stop or continue beating. :)
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If the intelligence is far enough developed hat we would fear it COULD erase mankind then it would only do this if supplying itself, which means repairing and reconstructing itself. And ta this moment it could either remove the "hardcoding" or simply build new individuals without this hardcoding.

And yes we humans are still very much programmed in amny behavior patterns, and the majority isn't truly intelligent. History proofs that quite well.

Becks said:
"Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive information, and retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment." ~Wikipedia

Don't confuse intelligence and purpose.
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Any hardcoding is NO intelleigence because it is none of the said things above.
 

orfeboy

orfeboy
They are coming...

Are you all blind?

In times uncertain upon his lofty throne,
the greatest amongst many shall be struck down.
His children own would his fortune take,
his corpse picked clean before his bones laid rest..

The spear of light shall pierce the dark,
striking down those weak of heart,
in tumultuous winds and tides unchained
shall be reborn yet forever changed.

An astral Queen of a kingdom great,
A shooting star in swift descent.
Broken, twisted, wings clipped, undone,
Lost to fate, her tale unsung.

From the firey flames of war unleashed,
The ancient past and present meet.
Forged in fires by smiths untold,
Fate’s own hand forced by the bold.

In a distant land far from heart and home,
Is found a creature of iron and stone,
From the very ground its form takes shape,
Whispering to the darkness to seal our fate.

Into the night his children flee,
A solemn oath, rebirth, destiny.
Tumultuous storm lies in their wake
on a forsaken rock will them their journey take.

From the black comes darkness, blacker than night,
snuffing, drowning the sacred light.
The wheel of time full circle comes,
for the doom of man is now at hand.
 

CYB34

CYB34
Turn on the AI and watch the factions disappear.

Its prohibited because those in power are afraid.
It's only human to prefer to be king in the land of idiots.


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Becks

Becks
Having a purpose/goal isn't negating your intelligence.

Same with hardcoding. Why should a hardcoded partition be impossible in an AI?

History just proofs that large human populations are easy to manipulate.
 
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