Horizons Question about shader crash on laptop graphics.

Nathanael

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Hi just bought a laptop with an i3 cpu and iris 6100 graphics to run horizons on. It plays fine on low/mid detail settings getting between 25 and 45fps depending on being in station,on planet or in space but it has the still unfixed crash that isnt a crash on preparation of compute shaders on startup.

Basically the crash reporter activates but the game continues to load, it takes around 25mins/half an hour and once loaded plays fine. FD viewpoint is that system is below minimum spec so they arent going to do anything about it, frustrating as once loaded the game plays fine despite this bug.

Anyway I am going to return this laptop and have seen one with an i7 and dedicated geforce 940m graphics. Before I decide to buy it instead does anyone know if the geforce 940m suffers from the same bug?

Thanks

The laptop is a stopgap solution till I can build another gaming desktop next year but I dont want to be without horizons and its hopefully arriving updates until then.
 

MickyG1982

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You would be better going for one with an i5 & 960m rather than an i7 with a 940m

In general i5's perform just as well as i7's for most gaming tasks & the 960m is a far better bet for graphics, what kind of budget are you looking at?
 
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Arry

Arry
I was running this game; including the Horizons beta, on a i3 Toshiba Satellite laptop and again, it took ages to load. I could still be playing it on that laptop, but between the load times, the endless drops in the blue tunnel and screen freezing, I gave up and got an other laptop.

Flame suit on for the 'Don't play games on laptop' fan-buoys.

Anyway, the new one is better than the developers suggest, but still I have to watch the sharders, both sets every time I, log in to play.

HP Pavilion 15-p142na Quad Core AMD A8-6410 8GB 1TB DVDSM AMD Radeon R7 M260 2GB 15.6 inch Windows 8.1 Laptop in Red & Black

Works fine. up to 60fps and about 40 if I record my game.
 
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Nathanael

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the laptop was £330 new, an hp pavilion with an i3 5157u cpu with the integrated iris 6100 graphics. I am quite happy with its graphics performance and very pleased with its performance in general for the money. With the addition of an ssd it would be really fantastic. It plays elite dangerous quite fine for my needs. Its just the shaders thing is annoying me so much that I am willing to pay more to get something that doesnt suffer from this bug/problem as it will be a year or so till I am in a situation where I can dedicate the money and space to build a nice gaming desktop again.

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Is it just the integrated intel graphics solutions that are affected by this problem?

I had originally been looking at laptops with the amd a10 8700p cpu and its integrated graphics which seemed really good for the money but had been put off by reports of extremely heavy throttling related to temperature and all the manufacturers locking these chips to 15w and crippling their performance. On paper they seem awesome bu in the real world the intel cpu I have doesnt seem to suffer any of these issues.

My old desktop setup was an amd fx4170 quad core with a gtx570 gfx card and it was great for ED but unfortunately I have to go with a laptop solution now.
 

Arry

Arry
Nathanael said:
the laptop was £330 new, an hp pavilion with an i3 5157u cpu with the integrated iris 6100 graphics. I am quite happy with its graphics performance and very pleased with its performance in general for the money. With the addition of an ssd it would be really fantastic. It plays elite dangerous quite fine for my needs. Its just the shaders thing is annoying me so much that I am willing to pay more to get something that doesnt suffer from this bug/problem as it will be a year or so till I am in a situation where I can dedicate the money and space to build a nice gaming desktop again.
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They say the shaders are meant to run once on 1st load after updates and then, load without checking anymore, but mine still runs the complete sequence every time. I have read that this may be addressed in the 2.whatever the next up grade is going to be.
 

MickyG1982

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Unfortunately the Iris is too low spec to run EDH & any decent gaming laptop is going to be at least 2 - 3 x what you paid for that one. I would avoid anything with the 940m too, it's not much more than the iris 6100 in terms of graphical prowess so you will be disappointed with it.

something like this: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...-vn7-592g-15-6-laptop-black-10137574-pdt.html would be a decent level to look at if you want to turn up some of the graphical options & should be capable of running Horizons on high settings with a smattering of ultra.
 

Nathanael

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As I have said the in game performance is quite fine for MY needs and it seems to run pretty well on the iris graphics considering :) If I can get something for similar money with similar performance but without the shader loading issue I will be quite satisfied :)

Arry: May I ask where you got this info, if thats the case then problem solved and I can stick with what I have! I know 1 set of shaders is meant to always run on startup but cant remember if its the compute shaders (where the problem lies) or the other ones.
 

Arry

Arry
Nathanael said:
As I have said the in game performance is quite fine for MY needs and it seems to run pretty well on the iris graphics considering :) If I can get something for similar money with similar performance but without the shader loading issue I will be quite satisfied :)

Arry: May I ask where you got this info, if thats the case then problem solved and I can stick with what I have! I know 1 set of shaders is meant to always run on startup but cant remember if its the compute shaders (where the problem lies) or the other ones.
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Try the links here. I am still looking, but the forums search is useless here.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239769&highlight=shaders
 

MickyG1982

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The Carrizo based 8700p would have been better than the i3 on integrated graphics. In fact it competes quite well against older i5's for most tasks too.
 

niphredil

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Hi,
with my 860m (4Gb) it works quite well. I think it's better than an 940m (despite the numbers). The 960m is better of mine but only by a slight margin.

I have 60fps locked in space and 50/60 on planets with all on high.

Cheers.
 

Nathanael

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MickyG1982 said:
The Carrizo based 8700p would have been better than the i3 on integrated graphics. In fact it competes quite well against older i5's for most tasks too.
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MickyG1982 said:
The Carrizo based 8700p would have been better than the i3 on integrated graphics. In fact it competes quite well against older i5's for most tasks too.
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Initially I had wanted a carrizo 8700p laptop but they all come with a tdp limited to 15w instead of the 35w they are designed for which limits the performance greatly. Also from what I have read most of them seem to throttle like mad when you start playing games and graphics core ends up trickling along at 300mhz instead of the 800 its supposed to be.
 

Arry

Arry
Nathanael said:
Initially I had wanted a carrizo 8700p laptop but they all come with a tdp limited to 15w instead of the 35w they are designed for which limits the performance greatly. Also from what I have read most of them seem to throttle like mad when you start playing games and graphics core ends up trickling along at 300mhz instead of the 800 its supposed to be.
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I just loaded up my game, needed to up date to 2.08, took just over 5mins to sort shaders. Will keep informed of what happens next time I log in.
 

macedk

macedk
Not to be the killjoy..but just a fair insight from my chair...

The funny thing is that many (including me) pc gamers will look back and see that we have spend alot more time tweaking the machine than doing what we set out to do ...play a game.

The up side of that is that, it is a self learned lesson, which benefit you down the road, it will get stored in your brain and you will not pick up on it before other mear mortals goes woow "grafity..nice thinking".

The down side is that you will never achieve the goal you were seeking....what!!! Example: you have a virus on the pc...you get a ton of cleaners but do you really know it's gone ?? This took you 5 days of forum searching and replying and goggling etc etc . Format disk, install operating system and the game ..6 - 8 hours of grinding work give or take. Real sure smash the hard drive and buy a new one and install.

You want to beat the odds ...me too always ..good character (flaw) in my book. But if it is not there then no matter how much...you will be uphill all the way.

Grind real life and get a better pc mate ...if you had the money you would have done it :)

"if your rio don't arrive ..i'll fly with ya" ;)
 

Arry

Arry
macedk said:
Not to be the killjoy..but just a fair insight from my chair...

The funny thing is that many (including me) pc gamers will look back and see that we have spend alot more time tweaking the machine than doing what we set out to do ...play a game.

The up side of that is that, it is a self learned lesson, which benefit you down the road, it will get stored in your brain and you will not pick up on it before other mear mortals goes woow "grafity..nice thinking".

The down side is that you will never achieve the goal you were seeking....what!!! Example: you have a virus on the pc...you get a ton of cleaners but do you really know it's gone ?? This took you 5 days of forum searching and replying and goggling etc etc . Format disk, install operating system and the game ..6 - 8 hours of grinding work give or take. Real sure smash the hard drive and buy a new one and install.

You want to beat the odds ...me too always ..good character (flaw) in my book. But if it is not there then no matter how much...you will be uphill all the way.

Grind real life and get a better pc mate ...if you had the money you would have done it :)

"if your rio don't arrive ..i'll fly with ya" ;)
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Game PCs, money and muscle, are all things that little bouys; just can't get enough of.

The new laptop dose nothing but play the game and sometimes record. It is good enough for the job; not the best maybe, but I am happy. No tweaks, straight out of the box.
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
Have you tried launching 1.5?

If that loads properly, you can turn the settings right down and try booting into Horizons after that.

Alternatively, you could try editing the graphics config files manually to put the settings for planets to their absolute lowest. That might decrease the loading times.
 

Arry

Arry
Just re-loaded my game; shaders took less than two minutes to sort. Both sets, but much faster this time.
 

Nathanael

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Thats great arry,looks like I will be changing for an amd based laptop like yours or else something with a geforce 940m if its at the right price.

1.5 actually loads just fine, dont think I could go another year without experiencing any of the horizons content when it hopefully arrives though!
 
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