The Star Citizen Thread v5

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FerinexuS

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ianw said:
Not really relevant.I mean we'd expect all sorts of bugs and jankiness from any old game produced by those filthy money grabbing publishers - but surely not the BDSSE - that should set the gold standard!
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You absolutely should rate it when it goes GOLD, when releases, claiming that it has bugs and mocking it for it to then rate it's company and it's quality for having bugs is just absurd when that's what expected in the first place... In game development 101.

Regarding the flight model and how the game LOOKS, we've been trough that, playing feels completely different than watching. @ 6:00

[video=youtube;WN9LlctqJjQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9LlctqJjQ[/video]
 
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milligna

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ianw said:
I mean we'd expect all sorts of bugs and jankiness from any old game produced by those filthy money grabbing publishers - but surely not the BDSSE - that should set the gold standard!
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Exactly!

Time and time again we're told: CR is a perfectionist. He's not going to release it until he gets it right. Go-no go meetings. Redo this. Refactor that. Postpone this, we have to do it right. He won't rest until it goes out PERFECT!

CHRIS THE PERFECTIONIST.

Where the HELL is any of this perfection?

Has anything CIG delivered in five years NOT been a horrible mess? Has anything he's delivered in decades shown any of this perfectionism? Certainly not "The Movie." Certainly not Freelancer. Not Strike Commander. Not the games he had nothing to do with and his brother made.

Wing Commander 1? What was the last year on record that CR managed to release anything that benefited from his so-called "perfectionism." He gives a thumbs up to release broken junk with terrible performance, it's never incorporating more than 1/50th of all the hot air he claimed would be in... and this is supposed to be after they got all the "blockers" out!
 
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I try so hard to like the videos... but the yaw! the yaw is unbearable. My brain cannot reconcile it. The fact that they use the wider horizontal plane and yaw along with a moving target like the old dorsal turret on a Panther Clipper.

Probably safest to truncate it to "Doesn't look like a game I will spend any money one, other opinions are available"
 

ianw

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FerinexuS said:
You absolutely should rate it when it goes GOLD, when releases, claiming that it has bugs and mocking it for it to then rate it's company and it's quality for having bugs is just absurd when that's what expected in the first place... In game development 101.

Regarding the flight model and how the game LOOKS, we've been trough that, playing feels completely different than watching. @ 6:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9LlctqJjQ
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Something is getting lost in translation here commando. My reference to the gold standard has nothing to do with goinmg gold at release.

And mocking and laughing at bugs is funny enough for CIG to make their own shows about it - if it's good enough for them who am I to argue?

You seem to be veering towards the not understanding game development defence - go for it - let it go! I won't be offended :D

(interesting statistic - at my count 27 negative posts of the last 40 posts in this thread could be directly attributed to your post - do you think you are helping?)
 
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frostypaw

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FerinexuS said:
Yeah comparing Star Citizen with Planet Coaster is not gonna do it sorry. Completely different games and scopes.
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How long has Planet Coaster been in development though?

The videos of the bits of 2.4 that are working actually look quite nice - but it's where I was expecting them to be over a year ago, and i've not seen any sign of anything that they've promised since then. lots of talk but the only stuff to see is people hacking into the game files

Show me the new stuff and I'd be all interested again - at the moment it's been pure talk for a long long long time and the vids that have been released look utterly nothing like the game as seen in even 2.4 but exactly like pre-renders. It's a very concerning point to be in when there's meant to be a game out this year
 

Voivod

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FerinexuS said:
Regarding the flight model and how the game LOOKS, we've been trough that, playing feels completely different than watching.
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I can confirm that it still doesn't feel nice to fly when you actually play the game imho.
I'm also still waiting for someone to post an SC video what shows extraordinary skills and difficult maneuvers with the flight model... something equivalent to Isinona for ED.
Please no strafe/point and shoot videos though.

I've been asking for ages ;/
 
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FerinexuS

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We can hit the key of "game is delayed" all day long until the game is released, it was already explained why it got delayed. Scope increase = Date to Delivery Increase.

Voivod said:
I can confirm that it still doesn't feel nice to fly when you actually play the game imho.
I'm also still waiting for someone to post an SC video what shows extraordinary skills and difficult maneuvers with the flight model... something equivalent to Isinona for ED.
Please no strafe/point and shoot videos though.

I've been asking for ages ;/
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You already confirmed you can't or don't know how to configure your keybinds properly, that's basic pc gaming 101, you need the dedicate time to it if you want to be able to enjoy the game.

Some stunts nothing special.
[video=youtube;IunPfZ2l_18]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IunPfZ2l_18[/video]
 

darkoff

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There's so many lies and deceits about it that confuses passing by readers that's screams dishonesty and hate campaign: "no way to get ships without paying rl money" etc.
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I agree chris roberts should stop spreading misinformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGE0_WSHGHc&feature=youtu.be&t=527
[video=youtube;CGE0_WSHGHc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGE0_WSHGHc&feature=youtu.be&t=527[/video]
fast forward to 8:50 in that video
filmed Dec 26, 2012
Gary Whitta:
Chris thanks for joining us and seriously, congratulations on this tremendously successful funding effort, but I guess really now this is just the beginning of the actual difficult part which is building the game, when are we actually gonna see this thing?

Chris Roberts:
the FULL FINAL GAME will be approximately TWO YEARS from now but, one of the advantages and I think the same is true on David's Elite if you back it early, you know, besides being part of the community and the discussion, and and having your voice heard and seeing sort of what's happening in the background so, you know we're going to you know, instead we don't have a publisher but you know what, we're gonna treat our backers the same way we would a publisher so when we get to a milestone we're gonna give them a show and tell and all the stuff and personally I'd rather do that to them than a publisher because I'm showing it to a hundred thousand people that really care about this and get excited by it and so that's kinda cool, but the other thing that you'll be able to do is play, sort of the early builds and the way I'm the way I'm sort of structuring is I'm trying to, test out components of this overall bigger universe along the way so I don't just drop everything all at once so in TWELVE MONTHS TIME you'll be able to play the SINGLE PLAYER. ah I mean sorry, sorry... the MULTIPLAYER DOGFIGHTING ALPHA which won't be the full persistent universe and it won't be the single player game, but it will be basically all the ships that you've pledged for , think of it more like World of tanks... and we're gonna use that to balance the combat , you know, fine tune it with the help of the community, and try and see you know, exactly stress test how many people we can get in an instance at any one time and then, you know. about SIX TO TEN MONTHS after that we'll do a sort of BETA of the SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN which is SQUADRON 42 and then finally the FULL PERSISTENT UNIVERSE BETA to sort of you know gonna be about TWENTY MONTHS OR SO AFTER NOW and the LIVE RELEASE SHOULD BE ABOUT TWENTY FOUR MONTHS. but of course you know, there may be plus or minus a month here well not minus plus a month or so, on the bigger thing at the end but I'm PRETTY CONFIDENT about the DOGFIGHTING ALPHA IN TWELVE MONTHS

Jun 4, 2014 arena commander was released
thats the only thing that has been delivered from that video and even that was 1 years late

also in earlier video in that serie chris talks how there will be 100 handcrafted systems in star citizen. yet we have seen only 1 system in pre alpha 2.4.
Seriously what happened? they have over 100 million. Yet they have not delivered anything they promised to deliver with 20 million.
 
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Voivod

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FerinexuS said:
You already confirmed you can't or don't know how to configure your keybinds properly, that's basic pc gaming 101, you need the dedicate time to it if you want to be able to enjoy the game.
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Excuse me?

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FerinexuS said:
Some stunts nothing special.
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You're right. That is nothing special.
Do you know of any SC videos like the one I asked?
 
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frostypaw

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also in earlier video in that serie chris talks how there will be 100 handcrafted systems in star citizen. yet we have seen only 1 system in pre alpha 2.4.
Seriously what happened? they have over 100 million. Yet they have not delivered anything they promised to deliver with 20 million.
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They've got some videos of a staff member talking about a bunch of others that seem to be populated with a cross between bad fan-fiction from firefly and/or starship troopers tho - does that count?

This is the thing that says to me "no way" - that's a vast vast vast amount of work if they're going to be of anything like the level of detail they've alluded to. The corridor-room-corridor-stairs that represent a whole starport aren't going to cut it
 

ianw

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frostypaw said:
They've got some videos of a staff member talking about a bunch of others that seem to be populated with a cross between bad fan-fiction from firefly and/or starship troopers tho - does that count?

This is the thing that says to me "no way" - that's a vast vast vast amount of work if they're going to be of anything like the level of detail they've alluded to. The corridor-room-corridor-stairs that represent a whole starport aren't going to cut it
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If I may so sir - you have singularly failed to take into account the magical procedural Germans!

Asp Explorer said:
I wouldn't worry about it. Everyone knows that basic PC gaming 101 is ensuring you have enough conventional memory free to run the game :D
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It's nice to see a new attack vector - the you simply don't understand game development is sooo last year.

(if anyone has a link to both game development 101 and PC gaming 101 I'd be much obliged - asking for a friend...)
 

frostypaw

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ianw said:
If I may so sir - you have singularly failed to take into account the magical procedural Germans!
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As I get closer to the pool more of the loungers will already have towels on them?

I jest but I have no idea what you mean do tell
 

kilvenny

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darkoff said:
I agree chris roberts should stop spreading misinformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGE0_WSHGHc&feature=youtu.be&t=527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGE0_WSHGHc&feature=youtu.be&t=527
fast forward to 8:50 in that video
filmed Dec 26, 2012
Gary Whitta:
Chris thanks for joining us and seriously, congratulations on this tremendously successful funding effort, but I guess really now this is just the beginning of the actual difficult part which is building the game, when are we actually gonna see this thing?

Chris Roberts:
the FULL FINAL GAME will be approximately TWO YEARS from now but, one of the advantages and I think the same is true on David's Elite if you back it early, you know, besides being part of the community and the discussion, and and having your voice heard and seeing sort of what's happening in the background so, you know we're going to you know, instead we don't have a publisher but you know what, we're gonna treat our backers the same way we would a publisher so when we get to a milestone we're gonna give them a show and tell and all the stuff and personally I'd rather do that to them than a publisher because I'm showing it to a hundred thousand people that really care about this and get excited by it and so that's kinda cool, but the other thing that you'll be able to do is play, sort of the early builds and the way I'm the way I'm sort of structuring is I'm trying to, test out components of this overall bigger universe along the way so I don't just drop everything all at once so in TWELVE MONTHS TIME you'll be able to play the SINGLE PLAYER. ah I mean sorry, sorry... the MULTIPLAYER DOGFIGHTING ALPHA which won't be the full persistent universe and it won't be the single player game, but it will be basically all the ships that you've pledged for , think of it more like World of tanks... and we're gonna use that to balance the combat , you know, fine tune it with the help of the community, and try and see you know, exactly stress test how many people we can get in an instance at any one time and then, you know. about SIX TO TEN MONTHS after that we'll do a sort of BETA of the SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN which is SQUADRON 42 and then finally the FULL PERSISTENT UNIVERSE BETA to sort of you know gonna be about TWENTY MONTHS OR SO AFTER NOW and the LIVE RELEASE SHOULD BE ABOUT TWENTY FOUR MONTHS. but of course you know, there may be plus or minus a month here well not minus plus a month or so, on the bigger thing at the end but I'm PRETTY CONFIDENT about the DOGFIGHTING ALPHA IN TWELVE MONTHS

Jun 4, 2014 arena commander was released
thats the only thing that has been delivered from that video and even that was 1 years late

also in earlier video in that serie chris talks how there will be 100 handcrafted systems in star citizen. yet we have seen only 1 system in pre alpha 2.4.
Seriously what happened? they have over 100 million. Yet they have not delivered anything they promised to deliver with 20 million.
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I actually think that when this was uttered back in 2012 this was a genuine comment by Chris Roberts. The game as initially imagined would be a set of linked FPS maps and perfectly doable in an FPS engine. It was after that when the money really came flooding in and new stretch goals became the order of the day that things got out of hand and in chasing the money, the stretch goals committed to an exponential engineering debt. Worse it committed them to fundamentally redesigning the engine itself which is not something that any developer would do mid project.
 

ianw

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frostypaw said:
As I get closer to the pool more of the loungers will already have towels on them?

I jest but I have no idea what you mean do tell
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I'm not sure if I can say without breaking an NDA that I'm somehow bound to by virtue of used to having posted things on the CIG website.

But - word has it - there is a crack squad of procedural generation wizards (we're talking white wizards here - none of your common or garden greys) - and as luck would have it they happen to be in Germany in the employ of CIG.

They just need to push a button and it's all done - allegedly - I don't know for sure though as I haven't done game dev 101 yet.

(the sun longer/towel thing is real - I was there in the 70s!)
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
ianw said:
I'm not sure if I can say without breaking an NDA that I'm somehow bound to by virtue of used to having posted things on the CIG website.

But - word has it - there is a crack squad of procedural generation wizards (we're talking white wizards here - none of your common or garden greys) - and as luck would have it they happen to be in Germany in the employ of CIG.

They just need to push a button and it's all done - allegedly - I don't know for sure though as I haven't done game dev 101 yet.

(the sun longer/towel thing is real - I was there in the 70s!)
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That's lovely, and great if it works - but not 100 hand crafted systems.

Maybe they could show us a tiny infinitesimal bit of it working by letting us fly down that nice moon? No. Ship explodes :(
 
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