Why no 3rd person?

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Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
JerryLove said:
I've never seen a case that 3rd person would make combat easier (in this space sim).
If you don't like what it does to the realism: don't use it.
No features are *needed*. That's an absurd standard. It's wanted by a portion of the customers.


For my belief? My memory.

But if you would like me to google it to see if there data establishing it.

"you can even, if the ship is a small one like the Sidewinder, poke your head out through the roof" - http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/...dangerous-amazing-and-impossible-to-describe/
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I guess DCS must be a really crappy simulation.

[video=youtube;azRxtsW7vp4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRxtsW7vp4[/video]

All those external views are worthless and do not add ANY enjoyment to the sim at all. They totally destroy the realism and authenticity of being a pilot. It is a clear advantage against others.

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External views in simulations are horribly gameplay breaking.

[video=youtube;iBm2QV0NQjA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBm2QV0NQjA[/video]
 
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Genxav

Genxav
babelfisch said:
I could go on. Did anyone mention that Total War doesn't offer First Person?

PS

How about this one: Why no first person in Dark Souls?!
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Let me repeat what i said

Just Saying Lockheed Martin Prepar3D and Flight Simulator Series always had external third person view...... so its not about unrealistic or whatever.

A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice.

Besides elite is neither realistic or a simulator.

With emphasis on "
A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice."

Then again, telling me that any of the TotalWar games don't have First person is invalid, there are two different genres and second there is indeed a first person camera in total war games.

Nobody is asking here to have a third person camera like Starpoint Gemini, Rebel Galaxy or anything of the sort which means nobody is asking for a 3rd person view with all the HUD elements.

Have you played StarCitizen? have you tried the 3rdPerson Camera? its pretty much useless aside from time to time that you want to see your character or ship. it has not limitations sure, you can shoot sure yet good luck hitting something.

FD could implemente a better 3d person debug cam with "photo mode" options and aggressive actions disabled or if you have a target locked you cannot shoot while in 3rd Person Camera mod. Many things could be made.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Lysander lysan said:
Yes AI is intense, however this is intense because as you could see, one shot and you're dead.
Maybe not intense to watch but very much so to play.
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I bought this for vr. Sadly it no longer works and even when it did it was a bit buggy..... but Jesus Christ it was terrifying and the feeling of presence was mental. If ED fps / Eva mode is even half as convincing I will be overjoyed
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Genxav said:

Let me repeat what i said

Just Saying Lockheed Martin Prepar3D and Flight Simulator Series always had external third person view...... so its not about unrealistic or whatever.

A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice.

Besides elite is neither realistic or a simulator.

With emphasis on "
A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice."

Then again, telling me that any of the TotalWar games don't have First person is invalid, there are two different genres and second there is indeed a first person camera in total war games.

Nobody is asking here to have a third person camera like Starpoint Gemini, Rebel Galaxy or anything of the sort which means nobody is asking for a 3rd person view with all the HUD elements.

Have you played StarCitizen? have you tried the 3rdPerson Camera? its pretty much useless aside from time to time that you want to see your character or ship. it has not limitations sure, you can shoot sure yet good luck hitting something.

FD could implemente a better 3d person debug cam with "photo mode" options and aggressive actions disabled or if you have a target locked you cannot shoot while in 3rd Person Camera mod. Many things could be made.
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Please read my posts in this thread. Sorry, but your points are not related to my position in any way, it's basically like you are talking about apples and I am talking about oranges. Anyway, I was the first person in this thread suggesting that the debug cam could be improved, so I don't really get what you are trying to tell me.
 
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ick

ick
Why no 3rd person?

Yet another thread that reminds me of the old Ghost recon days. Ghost Recon was a military simulator that was 1st person only and attempted to provide some semblance of reality in the weapon accuracy mechanics and the lethal-ity of all weapons. It had no weapon on-screen and as mentioned, was first person view.

It was something like 2004 and the market was flooded with third-person shooters and/or weapons on-screen. People complained endlessly about "y no weapon shown" and "y no third person"... completely missing the intention of the title and the game-destroying mechanic of being able to magically see around a corner or over an object without subjecting the player to enemy fire.

The desire to have a quasi-reality based game was lost, the only thing that drew development dollars were halo wannabees.

Glad to see this game is cockpit view only. Keep up the good work Devs.
 

lysan

lysan
Devlin-Darkside said:
More paint jobs would be sold if there was a 3rd person view.
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nope, you can see your ship in the CAM mode, not a valid point.

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Genxav said:

Let me repeat what i said

Just Saying Lockheed Martin Prepar3D and Flight Simulator Series always had external third person view...... so its not about unrealistic or whatever.

A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice.

Besides elite is neither realistic or a simulator.

With emphasis on "
A proper third person camera with no ability to open fire would be viable or some combat limitations would be nice."

Then again, telling me that any of the TotalWar games don't have First person is invalid, there are two different genres and second there is indeed a first person camera in total war games.

Nobody is asking here to have a third person camera like Starpoint Gemini, Rebel Galaxy or anything of the sort which means nobody is asking for a 3rd person view with all the HUD elements.

Have you played StarCitizen? have you tried the 3rdPerson Camera? its pretty much useless aside from time to time that you want to see your character or ship. it has not limitations sure, you can shoot sure yet good luck hitting something.

FD could implemente a better 3d person debug cam with "photo mode" options and aggressive actions disabled or if you have a target locked you cannot shoot while in 3rd Person Camera mod. Many things could be made.
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Prepar3d, DCS are not MMO games, as said before if FD make a 3rd person view in SOLO but NOT in OPEN i'm ok with it.
 

Genxav

Genxav
babelfisch said:
Please read my posts in this thread. Sorry, but your points are not related to my position in any way, it's basically like you are talking about apples and I am talking about oranges. Anyway, I was the first person in this thread suggesting that the debug cam could be improved, so I don't really get what you are trying to tell me.
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Then excuse me sir, i might have miss-clicked you for the quote. I cant be bothered finding the correct person anymore.
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
shadragon said:
Well played sir.

** We interrupt this argument for a fact break. **

Debug cam is third person.

** We now return you to the argument, already in progress. **
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Debug camera is a joke. Seriously. Its intentionally made difficult and slow to navigate any sort of quick view to capture the moment and you are limited to its range and scope.
 

Insomnia

Insomnia
Colonel Kenney said:
Debug camera is a joke. Seriously. Its intentionally made difficult and slow to navigate any sort of quick view to capture the moment and you are limited to its range and scope.
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It sure is a strange function to have but I'd rather have it than not having it.
But...if we could steer in debug mode hehe...
 

=71st=RuSh

=71st=RuSh
Victim said:
So many hostile responses on this forum. I get it. You're extremely passionate about your game, but chill out.

Every flight sim I've ever played used 1st and 3rd person perspectives. Being able to view your entire ship does have it's advantages, but so does flying from the cockpit. I would prefer 3rd person if I had the choice, unless I was in VR.
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The difference lies that in flight sims, every squad have their own server and set their own rules, for example I'm a simmer and never flight in DCS world servers with external views (3rd person), while other servers leave open this option to be played by gamers and simmers. In this case the ED Universe is only one server, with their own rules, and the 3rd person is not part of this rules!
 
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Boff'in

Boff'in
I remember playing 3rd person in i-war (gunners chair) and iwar2 behind.
Xwing-Alliance I had camera look, and "locked on" the bad-guys.

I played third person because it made the game easier, you can see stuff coming from the sides, from behind, you can see where the attackers are coming from.

It distances you from the physically and mentally from being "inside" the ship and gives you an omniscient presence of what "you" the pilot would have been privy to.
It detracts away from the "sim" feeling and cheaps the experience into "just another game".
 
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Lianachan

Lianachan
Lysander lysan said:
No that was 3rd person CAM and I can only agree with that in SOLO, no 3rd cams in OPEN!
however the same options as in GTA V were you can record and playback would be nice.
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I hear you. I only ever played in solo, though. Only ever used the non-cockpit or turret views in FE2 or FFE for checking the scenery and watching the ship on autopilot, never as a 3rd person view while controlling the ship. That's the kind of use I would have liked in ED, too.
 
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Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
Lianachan said:
The same camera options as in FE2 or FFE would be great.
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Isn't that sorta something called hypocrisy?

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Lysander lysan said:
No that was 3rd person CAM and I can only agree with that in SOLO, no 3rd cams in OPEN!
however the same options as in GTA V were you can record and playback would be nice.
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I made a poll about that exact thing in the forums.. it was ignored and people voted NO

Full external camera support should be allowed in SOLO and in OPEN when NOT in combat.

Then they have ZERO argument for it being for any PVP advantage.
 
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