I kind of understand both sides of the argument, but personally lean towards 1st person only option. However, debug camera functionality cuould be expanded to make taking screenshots and videos much better process. As of now I find myself in situations where I would like to take a snap or selfie of my ship in a nice location, but I just say "screw it" because it takes 17 days to turn the camera around.
Why no 3rd person?
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Would you change you opinion then if it could be conclusively demonstrated that no such advantage existed? Let's be clear the vast majority of people I've seen arguing for external views are explicitly talking about vanity camera views rather than the sort of combat chase view with HUD that would be needed to support combat play. Trying to fight from the external view in Frontier Elite 2 for example was an exercise in futility. Far from being a mode that confers an advantage, catching someone with their camera out would leave them at a distinct disadvantage. As someone else pointed out this could easily be put to the test in a beta and indeed if it did end up conferring some advantages then minor tweaks could easily overcome them.
It really isn't a realism debate, nor is a dumbing down type of argument. I'm only about 5 years shy of your gaming experience and I take quite a different view, removing options like external cameras feels more like degrading the series than it does damage the realism.
Then don't hit the external view key.
I remember when people were upset that people were going to draw tire tracks of dirty things and they were so upset over it. I think all those people got over it now.
If there is a feature you don't like. Don't use it. Don't stop everyone else's enjoyment please.
I think it really is confusing that some people talk about better 3rd person views and others about general 3rd person gameplay. Most players support the former.
Again, are we talking about proper 3rd person gameplay or about camera views?
And on that tire tracks thing... I don't remember that many people were against it (maybe 1?), but some people were arguing that they wouldn't be permanent (which turned out to be true).
Because some people like to drag their 3rd person games into Elite, and agree, I hope that FDEV will stay true to their own envision of the game.
There are some people who want exactly that, 3rd person gameplay all the way. That's basically what this whole discussion is about, everyone agrees that a better debug cam (or something similar) would be great.
It really isn't and it never has been.
So the whole discussion are wasted words because we have been agreeing all the time? LOL
For me when OP said "provide a playable 3rd person perspective", I assume he means "playable" as "can play in that mode", which, in my opinion, can't be done without a minimal HUD.
I'm all for an unplayable external cam. And by unplayable I mean that you can't fight in it.
I can argue, but do we talk of a playable view with a cross hair or no HUD at all ?
In the later case that's an unplayable 3rd person view and I've nothing against it in the game (until crews are available, that's another issue), but I'm pretty sure that's not what this thread was about.
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I suppose it depends on your definition of 3rd person gameplay. I want to be able to play, that is to pilot my ships, from external camera angles. Flying through the slot, landing on pads, that sort of thing. I wouldn't do this all the time by any means, I would expect to spend quite a lot of supercuise time in external camera because being able to admire the system would be more interesting. All of this would be possible with the old FE2 style external cameras. Fighting or more complex stuff would by the very nature of the game require a HUD and access to information not readily available from an external view without significant changes to the game... But I don't recall anyone asking for those changes. Just simple external cameras like you get in other flight sims, the old elites, etc.
Play? yes, have a special hud to make that play comparable to the in cockpit experience? Nope
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I don't want a playable 3rd person mode. I want external camera views for my own enjoyment of the excellent graphical work they've done. Something usable.
I want to enjoy the paintjobs I bought. I want to take a selfie in the middle of combat.
I want to enjoy the paintjobs I bought. I want to take a selfie in the middle of combat.
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lol. out of 6 responses you got at this point, only 1 could be (at least remotely) considered hostile ("Because third person view in Elite would be stupid.").
looks like you nailed your nickname!
please don't consider this hostile. it isn't. but please stop insulting the intelligence of your potential readers.
How about OP?
I understand the whole immersion factor playing from the cockpit, but why is there no 3rd person view option?
I doubt it's because of a design flaw, or the inability to provide a playable 3rd person perspective(seeing as there is an option to view your ship from that angle while in flight). I just don't understand why I can't play in 3rd person. Other than it would make fighting and landing a lot easier. We wouldn't want that, now would we...
He just says he wants a 3rd person view, he doesn't make it clear if he wants a custom HUD or any other changes. Everyone else however has gone to pains however to point out that they're talking about view options not HUD options.
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He clearly says that it would make fighting easier?!
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He would prefer 3rd person if he had the choice, which makes it pretty obvious that he wants a fully playable 3rd person mode.
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