Elite Babysitter...

[Thorn Black]

I don't disagree, it's the further impositions that are rankling me. Perhaps either or, but not all this...

And yeah Jabokai, I agree... I feel like we're doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot.

Why not make this game just solo then ? Totally solo, no MP at all for everyone, just the feeds from the main server.
Whats the point ? Cos with so many restrictions that people want there wont be pirates, bounty hunters, assasins, maniacal bloodthirsty killers, griefers and so forth, the whole fun will be gone.
Lets just make trading game, where you drive big ship with no deffences (what for just taking space) from point a to be forever. oh and we rly do not need exploration, gods know what will happen if we meet aliens. Just all go crying to developers how bad they are and all that, that its scary and monstrous and .. and ...
Yeah you all know the rest. David Braben will get with You all there by a hand and hug you to your sleep at night...

 

[Robert Maynard]

.... the whole fun will be gone.

Your definition of "fun" may well differ from those of others.

 

[Zak Gordon]

Obviously the people that are going to be most annoyed about having options are going to be those that are just wanting to grief themselves, or get most of their game enjoyment out of online MP games where they destroy other players in game.

The 'e-peeners'. If that is your thing, don't worry. ED will be available for you too, although you may just end up with a bunch of other like minded players, and if so what's so bad about that? You will all be there for the MP e-peen contest, so get on with it.

The rest of us will be doing the whole Elite gameplay thing, trading, exploring, changing ships (sometimes for smaller/less powerful ones), making friends etc.

 

[Phaedra]

The problem I see is that people aren't happy with just having groups or various modes. They want to play in the ALL group with all the protections of a private group. It's this motivation that's weakening the Dangerous in Elite Dangerous.

I've never really had a problem with players playing by different rule sets as long as they are never in the same instance as me. If having two separate "all player" groups (a contradiction I know) that couldn't meet was the price to pay for having an all player group as set out in the DDA in which I could play, I would prefer that to imposing additional layers of complication ("protection").

At the moment the drive to the and make the all player group as large as possible seems likely to drive away almost as many potential members as it hopes to attract.

 

[Malicar]

Funny because I see more griefers and pirates whining about everything cuz it ain't EVE with a flight model. Such garbage.

 

[JeffRyan]

I think this less deep an issue than the type of 'cotton wool' wrapping we see in society (Schools not doing field trips due to concerns of kids getting hurt etc).

I don't disagree. But it's part of the same mindset.

So i don't think is exactly the same issue. This is just a game, something to have some FUN with. Not a social issue that has repercussions in our real lives (outside our partners/wives/husbands/friends/kids getting annoyed at not seeing us).

Again, don't disagree.

The difference is that now we (gaming people) have a vast backlog of experience in relation to on-line gaming and MP griefing that we collectively didn't have 10 years ago or so.

And that experience has had a range of different effects on gamers, from my ''I only play SP now (or limited local MP with people i actually know)'' to the full on EVE fan that wants an even more hardcore experience where anything goes in the MP space. And everything between.

It comes down to what YOU consider as FUN gametime, and as someone paying to experience that, you certainly don't want to be in a position of paying for UN-FUN.

I think that's the problem, ED is trying to be all things to all people.

 

[Thorn Black]

Your definition of "fun" may well differ from those of others.

Then play solo, or with "friends" or closed private group for likeminded people.

Yeah ... why not ... automatically will put You away ... for good i guess.

Everyone happy then isnt it ?

 

[Robert Maynard]

I think that's the problem, ED is trying to be all things to all people.

This is the crux of the issue - we are all told "play the game how you want to" when it is patently obvious that we cannot all do that at the same time in a multi-player game.

 

[jabokai]

Obviously the people that are going to be most annoyed about having options are going to be those that are just wanting to grief themselves, or get most of their game enjoyment out of online MP games where they destroy other players in game.

The 'e-peeners'. If that is your thing, don't worry. ED will be available for you too, although you may just end up with a bunch of other like minded players, and if so what's so bad about that? You will all be there for the MP e-peen contest, so get on with it.

Again, entirely fallacious argument, full of hyperbole and ridden with fear of the the mythical griefer! I have NO interest in attacking anyone (unless they have a bounty) and yet I argue for player visibility and fairly non-restrictive gameplay - sure, have actions/consequences but let's not have Elite: Sanitised.

will be doing the whole Elite gameplay thing, trading flower arrangements, exploring our emotions, changing nappies (sometimes for smaller/less powerful ones), making friendship bracelets etc.

Fixed!

 

[Robert Maynard]

Then play solo, or with "friends" or closed private group for likeminded people.

Yeah ... why not ... automatically will put You away ... for good i guess.

Everyone happy then isnt it ?

The counter-argument can be made that those wishing unrestricted PvP could equally take themselves off to private groups.

Who reserved the All Group for unrestricted PvP?

No, not "everyone happy then".

 

[JeffRyan]

Funny because I see more griefers and pirates whining about everything cuz it ain't EVE with a flight model. Such garbage.

This is the sort of argument that really isn't valid or considered. I'm not a pvper, griefer or pirate. People who just scoff off this argument on the grounds that people proposing it are pirates and griefers just aren't right.

 

[ianw]

I don't disagree. But it's part of the same mindset.

Again, don't disagree.

I think that's the problem, ED is trying to be all things to all people.

This is the crux of the issue - we are all told "play the game how you want to" when it is patently obvious that we cannot all do that at the same time in a multi-player game.

Yes - this is the problem with the play how you want thing - which play style gets preference in the all group?

 

[Globusdiablo]

This is the crux of the issue - we are all told "play the game how you want to" when it is patently obvious that we cannot all do that at the same time in a multi-player game.

Obviously!! Well said.

 

[Thorn Black]

Obviously the people that are going to be most annoyed about having options are going to be those that are just wanting to grief themselves, or get most of their game enjoyment out of online MP games where they destroy other players in game.

The 'e-peeners'. If that is your thing, don't worry. ED will be available for you too, although you may just end up with a bunch of other like minded players, and if so what's so bad about that? You will all be there for the MP e-peen contest, so get on with it.

The rest of us will be doing the whole Elite gameplay thing, trading, exploring, changing ships (sometimes for smaller/less powerful ones), making friends etc.

Do i tell you what to do ? Or reduce your freedom of movement and choice or whatever You feel it ?

No i do not ...

I coexist with my own gameplay style, You will be able to join me or others to hunt me down or repay or whatever Your RPG style dictates when, i say when (or if), You catch me.

Im the one that adds this thrill to Your experience, emotions, hate and love.

Other than that its rly borring. Besides who told You space is safe like in mommys arms ?

 

[Malicar]

This is the sort of argument that really isn't valid or considered. I'm not a pvper, griefer or pirate. People who just scoff off this argument on the grounds that people proposing it are pirates and griefers just aren't right.

So what are you a hacker selling cheats?

 

[baskila]

If people can't socialize in civilized manner then the social rules have to be created for them.

 

[Maxeren]

Welcome to eve: dangerous...

I'm close to giving up on this subject too, people obviously want to be safe at all times and only play with NPC's it seems, because no other player ever plays fair or plays by the rules. Either that or he is a griefer, cheater etc. etc. so lets makes these rules so generalized that we don't get our gameplay effected by any of them, which then also hits the pirate gameplay mechanic.

*sigh*

 

[Phaedra]

Who reserved the All Group for unrestricted PvP?

FD defined the All Group IIRC. However, it is hardly unrestricted PvP unless you happen to be in a system where attacking another ship doesn't constitute a major crime.

 

[tooterfish]

Funny because I see more griefers and pirates whining about everything cuz it ain't EVE with a flight model. Such garbage.

What's garbage is that you think these two things are the same, and should be censured with equal measure.

 

[Thorn Black]

The counter-argument can be made that those wishing unrestricted PvP could equally take themselves off to private groups.

Who reserved the All Group for unrestricted PvP?

No, not "everyone happy then".

Then convince me by reasons of logic, money, honor ... whatever You fancy with, to be on Your side in game, be Your mercenary, Your hunter, Your tool of (sick) justice ...

You see now it hurts the both sides if You start making restrictions left and right. And if there will be too many im guessing those with itchy fingers to block people out will end up dying alone. Alone in the dark corners of their own universe ... Just like the bloodthirsty killers ... yes this stick has both ends.