My open letter to Fdev

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Jpotter

Jpotter
Stigbob said:
Hows your station doing nowadays ?.
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Given they never had a station - it's fine. Just because you want to believe the SDC in game entity was related to SDC - doesn't mean it's true. Same with the 13th, they have no minor faction in game.

The joke the ENTIRE forums missed was that while you guys brought down the SDC station, they weren't even in the system or cared whatsoever. They LEARNED about the faction from the forum posts. You guys were fighting ghosts.
 
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MarkAusten

MarkAusten
pindleton said:
They are trying to get PvP representation in the game. You guys are trying to shut that down in every way possible. They are in very small numbers, and few of them actually comment here. You guys show up like a gang of hyenas and put this thread on blast. It's very clear to see who the hecklers are. You're the conservative sticks in the mud. They're the voice trying to get change. See how this works?
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Nevertheless, Heckler's Veto applies. I'd say that the contributions, for and against, as I mentioned were about 50:50. Mind you I'm not going to count them to prove that but having previously read through the entire thing that seems to be about right.

And you are completely correct. It is entirely clear who the hecklers are. Both sides.

As for the voice trying to change, well they might be, but they are still a minuscule minority and they do not have, I hesitate to say right but the word does fit, the right to override the majority. Even if the majority are conservative stick in the muds. They may well be but they are still the majority.
 
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Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
pindleton said:
They are trying to get PvP representation in the game. You guys are trying to shut that down in every way possible.
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So far I have only argued against the action of going into Mobius for the sole purpose of shooting players.

You know, I am going to consider these nonsense 'paraphrases' as a compliment. Clearly people are unable to quote me and argue against what is actually said, and instead have to make up the counter arguments in order to be able to argue against it.

You guys show up like a gang of hyenas and put this thread on blast.
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Not unlike what happened in a certain private group? With the exception that 13th Legion are able to defend themselves, but aren't capable of doing so. Not as much fun I guess when the tables are turned. :)
Jpotter said:
The joke the ENTIRE forums missed was that while you guys brought down the SDC station, they weren't even in the system or cared whatsoever. They LEARNED about the faction from the forum posts. You guys were fighting ghosts.
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And having fun at the same time. Isn't that the point?
 
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Roybe

Roybe
pindleton said:
Funny....you try to taunt SDC by showing how broken the system is (You flip their system, and hide in a place where they cant fight against you). Coward.

Effectively:
"Hey man, how do you like how bad we messed up your station while wearing our cloaks of invulnerability. We're such badasses."


Too bad FD didn't use their magic wands in that case.
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They have the same methods available that any group has...to out play the other side by moving more PVE crap than the attackers. They refused to change their group rules to allow this to happen...so...'it's all good'.

I keep pointing at the 'learn to play the game you purchased' line...but am ignored. So keep tilting at your windmill!
 

pindleton

pindleton
Roybe said:
They have the same methods available that any group has...to out play the other side by moving more PVE crap than the attackers. They refused to change their group rules to allow this to happen...so...'it's all good'.

I keep pointing at the 'learn to play the game you purchased' line...but am ignored. So keep tilting at your windmill!
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Says the guy that stated earlier we don't have any meaningful say-so in the game anyway. If I wanted to play a number addition and subtraction simulator, I would've booted up calc.exe
 
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Raisa

Raisa
MarkAusten said:
As for the voice trying to change, well they might be, but they are still a minuscule minority and they do not have, I hesitate to say right but the word does fit, the right to override the majority. Even if the majority are conservative stick in the muds. They may well be but they are still the majority.
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got those exact numbers of people who are in the "pvp" and "pve" group ?
 

Mouse

Mouse
pindleton said:
They are trying to get PvP representation in the game. You guys are trying to shut that down in every way possible. They are in very small numbers, and few of them actually comment here. You guys show up like a gang of hyenas and put this thread on blast. It's very clear to see who the hecklers are. You're the conservative sticks in the mud. They're the voice trying to get change. See how this works?
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Please show me where those of us who like PVE are trying to shut PVP down in every way possible? I'm sorry that comment is absolute bull.. And there are rather few pure PVErs here.. not a gang or pack of hyenas as you claim. Why is it that you cannot discuss something but instead must try to warp, misrepresent or boldface lie about those who feel differently than you do in order to "protect" what you are trying to say instead of allowing it to stand on it's own merit?
 

Roybe

Roybe
Here's one of my old posts on this very subject:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-first-post)?p=2090191&viewfull=1#post2090191

Now, for those unaware, this particular thread, 'Vox Populi' is able to be added to at anytime by people that wish to have their voices heard on this issue.

Pick any personal post of yours...and self report the post with the explanation of your following text to be included in the Vox Populi discussion...and then record your words of wisdom within the report and hit send. The devs will post your ideas for all to see and read!
 

Roybe

Roybe
grunchlk said:
So, they are not allowed to PvE? I didn't know that. How then did they get their 'legendary' ships and skills?
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Huh? Not following your question.
Oh I am sure they combatted NPC's..and did all sorts of PvE things...I'm not sure how their group enforced that rule...but I seem to remember it being bandied about somewhere.

It might have been specifically a ban on fighting the BGS...<shrug>
 
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MarkAusten

MarkAusten
Raisa said:
got those exact numbers of people who are in the "pvp" and "pve" group ?
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well, 59 vs 24000 for a start. Where it goes from there I don't know . That is an indicator. Can you prove me wrong on that. Do you have the PvP vs PvE/Group numbers?
 
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Nightshady

Nightshady
grunchlk said:
So, they are not allowed to PvE? I didn't know that. How then did they get their 'legendary' ships and skills?
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I earned my first billion legit. My second billion+ I got from LRS. Our combat skills we get from wing training and PvP'ing daily. If we can't find opponents to PvP, we just kill each other. I've been killed more times by 13th Legion than any other group I'm sure. We don't care of course, and fighting to the death against wingmates is optional for all members.
 

Runnybabbit

Runnybabbit
knowles2 said:
Frontier has set it up so that the players who are the loudest get their way. Because it seem the only time Frontier listens and generally cave in, is when players shout and scream and makes lots of noise on this forum.

No one represent the players, I certainly don't claim to represent anyone but myself and my own views
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Well, you're pretty loud about your opinion right now, but I don't see you getting your own way at this moment in time...?!:cool:
 
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