My open letter to Fdev
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So who is going to be the one to take this too far and end this nightmare of a thread. Someone invoke Godwin's law and take one for the team so the mods can lock this.
For what it's worth I'm out of this thread, I see nothing constructive to be gained here even if someone gets the perfect answer to the Open/Solo/Groups CG bit it'll be swamped by the mode invasion blob.
My personal opinion is that there are too many people here acting like children on both sides, for what it's worth we've been here before. Literally the same arguments so allow me to repeat what I said a few months ago. Logic of arguement:
Parent: "don't stand on that chair"
*Child stands on table*
Parent "What did I tell you?"
Child "But i'm not on the chair, you said chair, I'm on a table!"
In the real world this would be met with a telling off and a "don't be cheeky". In this instance I feel a shadowban slap and a stern e-mail would be best. If FDev start throwing temp shadowbans about a bit more casually along with emails saying stuff like "We suspect you knew what you were doing, now you know for sure, take liberties with the rules again and the shadowban will become permanent" should send a message to those deliberately out there to see what they can get away with like children. Whilst simultaneously not causing any lasting damage or impact to any players.
Edited in for neutrality: Although the way some people have responded here is equally as childish and in some ways worse.
Anyway peace everyone, we all have different opinions but the level of comments in this thread will just lead to both sides getting equally ignored. Hopefully someone will close this mess and Frontier will start being a bit more forceful in future. As the example above, children will keep pushing the boundaries until they get a line drawn and I think it's time FDev drew that line where they wanted it. Word will spread fast enough.
Edit: Not aiming this directly at anyone specifically, please do not take offence if you are easily offended. I'm trying to remain neutral but it's difficult. This is how I feel this thread has gone and isn't deliberately pointing at anyone ^
No offence taken. Well, not by me.
So, let me get this straight.....
13th Legion sympathiser - "we don't care about the BGS/PVE or any of that gumpf"
meanwhile......
13th Legion sympathiser - "you scurvy dogs, you ruined an SDC PVE thing, how dare you"
13th Legion sympathiser - "you cowards, hiding in Mobius, doing PVE stuff we do but don't care about, how dare you"
meanwhile.....
13th Legion sympathiser - "we were hiding in Mobius for months, had no idea what the group was about, or for, or it's rule set, we got bored shot up some ships that were not equipped or prepared for PVP... us, cowards?, never"
13th Legion sympathiser - "we call out SDC as a terrorist group for their actions in Mobius, despicable, how dare they"
meanwhile......
13th Legion sympathiser - "we reserve the right to be total dingbats as and when it serves us....hey, idea, let's disrupt Mobius like SDC did"
I mean crikey, with the lack of hypocrisy in your posts and the united voice you are all speaking with I'm amazed FD haven't bowed to your pretend demands already...........not.
13th Legion sympathiser - "we don't care about the BGS/PVE or any of that gumpf"
meanwhile......
13th Legion sympathiser - "you scurvy dogs, you ruined an SDC PVE thing, how dare you"
13th Legion sympathiser - "you cowards, hiding in Mobius, doing PVE stuff we do but don't care about, how dare you"
meanwhile.....
13th Legion sympathiser - "we were hiding in Mobius for months, had no idea what the group was about, or for, or it's rule set, we got bored shot up some ships that were not equipped or prepared for PVP... us, cowards?, never"
13th Legion sympathiser - "we call out SDC as a terrorist group for their actions in Mobius, despicable, how dare they"
meanwhile......
13th Legion sympathiser - "we reserve the right to be total dingbats as and when it serves us....hey, idea, let's disrupt Mobius like SDC did"
I mean crikey, with the lack of hypocrisy in your posts and the united voice you are all speaking with I'm amazed FD haven't bowed to your pretend demands already...........not.
'scratches head'.....ummm, you read the thread friend?
Goose4291
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those aren't posts by 'sympathisers'. Those are 13th legion members posting.
The closest you're seeing is people who are infuriated over the god mod handwaving, tired of EULA quoting internet lawyering or are just plainly highlighting to you (like the last two times that you 'showed them a lesson' by messing with their NPC faction BGS) that groups like this don't care about the BGS at that level and will be guffawing to themselves on their forums while you thrash around and squander a month of your life destroying something they didn't care about. Of course, we'll then be called sycophants, quislings or other such inflammatory names, tarred with the same brush and receive similar levels of personal abuse.
but you know what, that's OK if it's all in the name of the 'friendly' nature of the PvE community, right?
The closest you're seeing is people who are infuriated over the god mod handwaving, tired of EULA quoting internet lawyering or are just plainly highlighting to you (like the last two times that you 'showed them a lesson' by messing with their NPC faction BGS) that groups like this don't care about the BGS at that level and will be guffawing to themselves on their forums while you thrash around and squander a month of your life destroying something they didn't care about. Of course, we'll then be called sycophants, quislings or other such inflammatory names, tarred with the same brush and receive similar levels of personal abuse.
but you know what, that's OK if it's all in the name of the 'friendly' nature of the PvE community, right?
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There's so much sarcasm in that post I don't know whether to applaud so shake my head in dismay.
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Compared to the thousands of players that may possibily be partaking in the community goal? That's a drop in the bucket pal. You did not blockade a system. Period.
Um, no, I've read the whole thread, 13th Legion members are not alone in trying and failing to justify their actions, and agian with the 'we don't care about the PVE stuff but we'll throw it in your face because, y'know, really we do' crud is getting old quick. That is part of the problem as I illustrated in my first post in this thread, honestly, some saying 'we don't care, la, la, la', others saying, 'how dare you do that, (as you are). If you don't care why mention it?, if you secretly do care, (not just you, others claiming the same too), why deny that you do?
Wow.
Just read OP.
I feel bad for the pvp'rs in the ELITE.
I think the open/solo feature ruins power play. There's hardly any way for factions to defend against certain CGs.
There's simple solutions that could be done to balance it out! Even with PvE.
-To oppose a CG like this you should be able to turn in combat bonds for NPCtransports that negate the progress of the CG.
- or simply make it so power play can't be effected by CMDRs solo/group modes.
Solo/group should only influenced personal progress (ranks,rep, influence,credits) and open play should be for altering anything that would affect the whole community.
I don't play CGs, and I don't play PP.
Its broken. The story line is planned, always has been
Just read OP.
I feel bad for the pvp'rs in the ELITE.
I think the open/solo feature ruins power play. There's hardly any way for factions to defend against certain CGs.
There's simple solutions that could be done to balance it out! Even with PvE.
-To oppose a CG like this you should be able to turn in combat bonds for NPCtransports that negate the progress of the CG.
- or simply make it so power play can't be effected by CMDRs solo/group modes.
Solo/group should only influenced personal progress (ranks,rep, influence,credits) and open play should be for altering anything that would affect the whole community.
I don't play CGs, and I don't play PP.
Its broken. The story line is planned, always has been
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It's impossible to blockade a system due to mode switching and instancing. They probably did the closest thing to a full blockade as can be done in the game.
Try harder next time...everyone needs some goals...go 1 order of magnitude more! 1,000 players should really show FDev that their game sucks and needs to close down all these Private groups beating the pants off PVP players attempts at PVE!
Ohhhh now I see. 13th legion are the victims here.
See, that's the part I didn't get all along. You had no other options available to you.
Colour me embarrased for missing that.
See, that's the part I didn't get all along. You had no other options available to you.
Colour me embarrased for missing that.
Why do you feel bad for the PVpers in elite? What were you expecting with how the systems work and how the community goals are taken advantage of between 3 different modes of gameplay, so everyone can have their say, even if they don't want to compete with players. This was the design from day 1, why should this be a surprise now? On a side note, I personally think there should be proper systems that encourage PVP, that would involve forcing players to deal with other players if they want to use the said mechanics. Until we get those. Well I can't say I feel sorry for any PvP player in this game, you know what this game is, that's life.
Outcomes point to the game mechanics restrictions more than anything. You can't blame someone for putting a screen door on a submarine when you told them to put on a door and provided them with only a screen door.
so what options did the Empire aligned players have to defend against that Fed CG ?
I have an ever easier solution...play harder and out move those PVE trophies where ever you think they can be moved the easiest! Nothing has to change except the choice people make when they come into the game!
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They weren't supposed to! LOL's., huh! Yep, some CG's ARE like that!
The in-game explanation is: None. The Empire itself didn't oppose the expansion, and players are just a small number of mercenaries.
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