UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

Has any commander "offered" an UA, UP or barnacle an Unknown Fragment from an UA, just curious I have one sitting in my cargo hold.
I'm aware Unknown Fragments are used by some of the Engineers, just curious.

 

[Blagsc]

While I agree with this, the UP was honked at before and nothing ever happened. Did we determine you HAVE to have a UA in the hold for the UP to respond? Or will it respond without one? Or did the Hand of God (FDev) reach in and "activate" the UP hidden in one of their updates? Some old ideas might need to be touched on again just to double-check.

The Up has been scanned with and without a UA and responds both times with the same image

 

[Nagual]

Has anyone got ideas as to why they are only being found (so far) in USS in the bubble? Since they seem to point to M5c directly it's rather odd. If the Artefacts were doing a general search or 'somewhere over here!" thus forming a shell around Merope, you'd think that the Probes would be in the system, not light years away from it, in a convoy.

Where do these ships find them in the first place? Is there any clues in the NPC communications that hold them?

 

[Tharrn]

I think we can take as given that the aliens are trying to communicate. It would thus be illogical to make the message over complicated - after all we are supposed to understand it. Most of the hypotheses in circulation are overly complicated or lack proof to back them up.

My personal theory is still that the UP message is a key to some future transmission. If only because it's an excellent tool to time the progression of the story and keep people busy over-analyzing

 

[nosscar]

Ok, it was fun so far. I so hope that they don´t let us players become frustrated by implementing the "rest" of the stuff later.

My conclusion:

- the "Aliens" or "whatever species" sent us a message
- "they" are not aware of our speech, writings, numbers
- "they" use maths to communicate - which is pretty logic
- when they are able to provide clear pictures by sound, they should be considered "intelligent"
- when they are "intelligent", the picture should not lack some information - everything should be there in a perfect, yet to discover manner. No information is useless or should be ignored.
- I am frustrated

Maybe they are so crude, yet understand our language and binary ect, because they are "The Missing" as detailed more in an earlier post in this thread.
There have been hints before from Kerrash and others that it might not be Thargoids, it could be the missing who have since been found by another Alien race, thus a mixture of old human and Alien tech and communications.

We just have to not close any doors on possible story lines, keep open minds, look, search, but maybe also wait for the next update to change or add something.

 

[mrrobbins1]

If "they" know numbers, they could have written them pretty clear into the picture. Same goes to letters.

I was the one who found the numbers and they are so zoomed in plus the fact that i had to change the proportions of the image to find it, i can simply say it is noise, i have fully tested and debunked the theory i created, i didn't want people being misled thinking it was proven when it is just a noise pattern.

 

[Ninjahat]

http://i.imgur.com/00BFaz3.jpg

This what I actually see in the above image,

172C13.23+137i

Pretty meaningless to me.

I think I read in the last thread that one of the angles on the center pictogram was 137, I may be wrong though.

Remember to qoute where you got it from!

mrrobbins1 and Ninjahat ;-)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Cannon?p=4271355&viewfull=1#post4271355

 

[Blagsc]

Maybe they are so crude, yet understand our language and binary ect, because they are "The Missing" as detailed more in an earlier post in this thread.
There have been hints before from Kerrash and others that it might not be Thargoids, it could be the missing who have since been found by another Alien race, thus a mixture of old human and Alien tech and communications.

We just have to not close any doors on possible story lines, keep open minds, look, search, but maybe also wait for the next update to change or add something.

You know while it would be cool for like a alien/human line of the missing and us finding them....They wouldnt have gotten that far out yet from sol Making it unlikely that(even in cause of alien intervention) we would find them towards merope(Cause of ua/up pointing) and I think most calculations put them somewhere between sol and its surrounding systems due to there travel speed but also slow enough that we could miss them by using frameshift

 

[CMDR Ofan]

And it...excretes... meta-alloys? So we're all carrying around space crab... excrement? I wonder if it tastes like chicken...

That kind or works well if you use real barnacle's life cycles as a base. There is a general similarity between Naupilus -> Cyprid -> Barnacle and UP ->UA -> Barnicle if you interprit that as the "life cycle". Makes you wonder what the barnicles will build next with all that meta alloy if that's the case

 

[ilo]

Has any commander "offered" an UA, UP or barnacle an Unknown Fragment from an UA, just curious I have one sitting in my cargo hold.
I'm aware Unknown Fragments are used by some of the Engineers, just curious.

You should know that unknown fragments are those special materials that don't take any cargo hold and all you can do is discard them, so.. nice test you came up with.

 

[CMDR JP76]

I saw someone post about this before but I'm not sure how far they looked into it or if anyone else really noticed. Doing a search for "Pleiades" + "Key" together gets results pertaining to The Key of Solomon. http://imgur.com/a/3Ke0m I decided to look up some of the mythology surrounding this to see in what ways it is related. I don't want to go too deep into it but basically it is all about Ancient Aliens and Gateways to Heaven. Other cultures including the Maya had similar ideas about the Pleiades.
My own issue with this "Key of Solomon" constellation being "A Key" is that it is the stars as viewed from Earth. While you can get some lines from the Spectrograph we have to fit on the key I very much doubt aliens would give us something from this perspective... but this game was made by humans so who knows. >.>

I'm terrible at doing anything with images so I urge other people to try it out, but one thing I found was that the line from the centre of the circle in the bottom right seems to be at a very similar angle to the "Base Line" in the Key of Solomon. I'm drawing a blank trying to see if this can maybe point somewhere. There may even be ways that this http://imgur.com/a/CWVcz lines up in some way with the image we gave. Keep in mind that each of those numbered stars/sections represents as star in the Key of Solomon/Pleiades and the un-numbered section in the top left represents Orions Belt (I think).

Hi CMDR, yes Sir it was me that posted that:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ad-7-The-Canonn/page578?p=4266098#post4266098


More than likely not related but interesting that it's about a Key, the Pleiades and Orion!

o7

J

 

[mrrobbins1]

You should know that unknown fragments are those special materials that don't take any cargo hold and all you can do is discard them, so.. nice test you came up with.

I think @mhyre has a UP, you could arrange a meet up to test it, great idea I think.

 

[Sharratz]

I think @mhyre has a UP, you could arrange a meet up to test it, great idea I think.

Methinks ilo was being sarcastic...

 

[Jack Dinn]

Trouble here is we know that the message is of human origin, because it was created by Frontier Developments. Bit concerned that what we might reason out of significance because the message "can't" use human systems is actually significant after all. The UAs did transmit in Morse, after all... Issue here could well be that we're taking the immersion more seriously than FD have been.

If we want to go metagame on it (and we're discussing it offline on a forum, so... you know...) do we know who at FD are likely to have put the message together? What are the buttons for their nerdgasms?

 

[Allant Doran]

Trouble here is we know that the message is of human origin, because it was created by Frontier Developments. Bit concerned that what we might reason out of significance because the message "can't" use human systems is actually significant after all. The UAs did transmit in Morse, after all... Issue here could well be that we're taking the immersion more seriously than FD have been.

If we want to go metagame on it (and we're discussing it offline on a forum, so... you know...) do we know who at FD are likely to have put the message together? What are the buttons for their nerdgasms?

HP Lovecraft. It'a a Cthulhu Probe.

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

You should know that unknown fragments are those special materials that don't take any cargo hold and all you can do is discard them, so.. nice test you came up with.

That's true, but it's also an 'alien' fragment of 'unknown' origin maybe the 'aliens' want them returned
It's a shame the gameplay mechanic wont give us more options to be creative with them though.
I can see greater more interesting possibilities for their use.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

You should know that unknown fragments are those special materials that don't take any cargo hold and all you can do is discard them, so.. nice test you came up with.

Indeed, but we could always destroy a UA to generate a UF in the presence of a UP and then honk it!
I'd also note that the colouring of a UF is more like a UP than a UA.

I'd also like to repeat my request for a UP scoop test:
1. Position the UP right in front of an open cargo scoop.
2. Honk.
3. Scoop the UP before the transmission.
4. Science!!! (likely a negative result but that's still science)

Probably requires a second pilot to act as a spotter for the UP positioning and scoop timing.

 

[[VR] Frank_G]

Discussing it outside the game, doesnt mean we have to analyze it outside game immersion. It was created for the game, so we can stay in our roles. We also dont search gamefiles for solutions. Thinking about meta sollutions is just weak and far less fun.

 

[Tharrn]

Trouble here is we know that the message is of human origin, because it was created by Frontier Developments. Bit concerned that what we might reason out of significance because the message "can't" use human systems is actually significant after all. The UAs did transmit in Morse, after all... Issue here could well be that we're taking the immersion more seriously than FD have been.

If we want to go metagame on it (and we're discussing it offline on a forum, so... you know...) do we know who at FD are likely to have put the message together? What are the buttons for their nerdgasms?

I would assume they have a plot. And, as an example, it is possible that the first human signals the aliens received in that plot were morse code, as that were the first radio transmissions humans sent into the ether. It would thus be logical in that story that aliens try to communicate in morse.

Mathematics are a universal language. Binary is the simplest numeral system and it can be assumed that a species transmitting radio knows binary. It would thus also be logical for aliens to use binary code for messages. And so on and so forth.

You just need a SETI enthusiast in FD to think along those lines, and, well, people making a space game probably have at least one of those

 

[Siranui]

Where do these ships find them in the first place? Is there any clues in the NPC communications that hold them?

That's a real mystery. Would love to find out where the Feds are stealing these things from. Context is generally considered important!

Soooo.... are there any more plans to find and jack some more of these things?