UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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The octospiders always stood out to me. My father, who has a degree in electronics, helped my through this part. Base 8. I don't remember how it works at all.
He loves this stuff. Maybe I should give him the information we have, see if he could at least help me shed light on HOW to think about this, as opposed what to think.
This is my first post in the Canonn threads. \o/
I was reading the front pages, and noticed MB said that the reason why barnacles are in nebulae is quite logical if you think about it. I hope nobody else came up with this idea already in the mountains of posts in the previous canonn threads... So I was thinking. We can scoop fuel from stars' coronas, so aliens can probably do similar things. The barnacles are producing meta-alloy thingies, and materials, IIRC. (I don't have Horizons and only scantily follow the canonn threads since they move so fast, so I'm just going off of what I do know.) Who's to say that nebular gasses aren't a critical component or ingredient of the manufacturing process?
Again, I apologize if someone else already came up with this. I didn't feel like wrestling with the other 7 threadnaughts to find out.
--IronDuke
I was reading the front pages, and noticed MB said that the reason why barnacles are in nebulae is quite logical if you think about it. I hope nobody else came up with this idea already in the mountains of posts in the previous canonn threads... So I was thinking. We can scoop fuel from stars' coronas, so aliens can probably do similar things. The barnacles are producing meta-alloy thingies, and materials, IIRC. (I don't have Horizons and only scantily follow the canonn threads since they move so fast, so I'm just going off of what I do know.) Who's to say that nebular gasses aren't a critical component or ingredient of the manufacturing process?
Again, I apologize if someone else already came up with this. I didn't feel like wrestling with the other 7 threadnaughts to find out.
--IronDuke
Honking at UP at merope 5C?
Message points to Merope 5c. In my mind that is it.
Go There with it and do it?
Message points to Merope 5c. In my mind that is it.
Go There with it and do it?
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Thanks for the reminder. We should be keep doing this, looking for "Herald:" articles on any station but more importantly outposts. Always.
This is one of the tools we need to remember to use. o7
They are communicating with us in morse code and base 10 because they are earlier humans that stem from the same tech. They are lost in space and this is the tech they've developed.
Well, we have the digits 2, 3, 4, 1, which could form 3142 if you start reading from top-right and read clockwise; which is pi accurate to 3 decimal places if you ignore the lack of a decimal point..
The fact that the first 4 digits of pi - accurate to 3 decimal places - are the first 4 digits in the decimal number system leaves us potentially open to seeing pi in places where it wasn't intended.
It might signify pi, but it's a slight exaggeration to say "they write down pi".
I believe someone, Riz maybe, has tried the headlight morse method on UAs. Not sure if binary has been tried. You could certainly grab a UA and try it yourself. I don't know about UPs. Communicating via in-game comms with UA has also been tried.
This combining the various audio and using honks as time markers could be interesting. I'm extremely busy the next couple weeks or I'd give it a go right away.
You generally want to have a cargo scanner to confirm that presence of the UP. The spawn rate of this type of convoy seems to be extremely low. Escorts are usually anacondas and vultures if I'm not mistaken. I think maybe two condas and three or four vultures. If you want to fight the convoy, you are probably going to need help even with a well-fitted combat ship. If you're going solo, one strategy has been to have a pirate follow you into the USS and then the pirate should attack the convoy. While they're busy with the pirate you can use a hatch breaker on the ship carrying the UP, scoop and run before you get shot up too bad. You can also push the UP ship away from the other ships, take down it's shields with ramming and use the hatch breaker.
Human speech is about 285 hz. A low pass filter would get rid of the image data noise and leave just behind speech. That's assuming that the speech hasn't had its frequency shifted too much.
I hear nothing at all. That's not to say it isn't there, but if I tell someone that it says "All day covered in sh*t" and then they listen to it, that's what they'll probably hear.
Some science works this way, but not all. Astronomy, which I think few would argue is not a science, does very little in the way of experimental testing. It's more of a historical science, like paleontology where you're given a set of observations and you have to make sense of them without being able to perform experiments.
Again with this "the message isn't for us" stuff. Depends on what you mean by "us". If you mean the fictional pilots in this future sci-fi universe, then maybe not, but if you mean us players then it certainly was meant for us.
Rightly so.
Genuine question. When has Kerrash ever said anything about a mystery that was later confirmed in game?
We don't need hints. Mysteries are for solving, not for begging for answers.
Yep, it's an unsubstantiated claim without further evidence.
Now that I've written all that, is there a plan for a wild UP, or convoy UP hunt in the near future?
This is my first post in the Canonn threads. \o/
I was reading the front pages, and noticed MB said that the reason why barnacles are in nebulae is quite logical if you think about it. I hope nobody else came up with this idea already in the mountains of posts in the previous canonn threads... So I was thinking. We can scoop fuel from stars' coronas, so aliens can probably do similar things. The barnacles are producing meta-alloy thingies, and materials, IIRC. (I don't have Horizons and only scantily follow the canonn threads since they move so fast, so I'm just going off of what I do know.) Who's to say that nebular gasses aren't a critical component or ingredient of the manufacturing process?
Again, I apologize if someone else already came up with this. I didn't feel like wrestling with the other 7 threadnaughts to find out.
--IronDuke
Well aren't nebulae generally remnants of supernovae ? So with that extreme and violent of an action possibly new matter could be formed and "fed" so to speak?
Also ionized ..
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Hi everyone,
my apologies if this has come up already, but I would like to bring up the possibility that there might be no message in the UP image -- rather, it might contain the rule set to decode the actual message, which could be found somewhere else. My main reasons for assuming this is that the UP message has been referred to as "key" from official sites, which could infer a decryption key. But this is different from the message itself. Mind you, all of this is assuming that the message is alien in origin, and supposed to be decrypted. Which could well be wrong, of course.
For example, the actual message could be the message the UP is sending out constantly, i.e. the sequence of high and low sounds. Unlike the barnacle sound, the UP sequence is definitely not random, for instance there are never more than two high or low notes in succession in a sequence of 329 notes. This is highly consistent with being not random. I am referring to the UP recording on the front page of this thread, which gives
-.--..--.-..--..-..--..--..-..--..--.-..-.--..-.-.-.-.-.--..--..-.-..--.-..-.--.--.-..-.-.-.--.--.--.-.--.-..--.--..-.-.-..-.--.--..-..-..-.-.--.-.-..--..--.-.-..-..--..-..-.-.--..-.--.-.--..-..--..--.--..--..--..--.--.--.-..--..-..-..--.-..-.--.--..--.-..-..--..-.--.--..--.--..--.--.--..-.-.--..--..-.-.-..-..-..--.-..--..--.-.
What if that (or something else) is the actual message, which is encrypted, and the image we got from the sound analysis is the key to decrypt that message?
The following is, like everything else in this post, only speculation:
For instance: The pictures like -|-, -||, etc, could indicate:
a) The aliens use two different symbols "-" and "|", in triples, to encode information.
b) The symbols can be read as 1, 2, 3, 4 in binary, when going around the "round grid" part of the image, so they increase in clock-wise-direction. This could actually indicate that the symbols are used to count, i.e. triples of them depict numbers
c) This again could lead to the conclusion that the aliens use base 8 to count (since 3 bits can depict numbers from 0 to 7).
This could be the hint towards a key: Take a message which consists of sequences of two different symbols, pair them in groups of three, and convert them to numbers between 0 and 7. These can be grouped again to give numbers in base 8. Now I am not sure that this should be the actual key to decrypt the sequence of high / low notes the UP is emitting, because no 0's or 7's would be occurring, which strikes me as strange. Depending on where you start in that sequence, you get
5464623144632262525462464555125555323312455444532463244622545531146631466646223226632231331546662546251115146
3151446311464545253145151332253332646625133111265146511445313262315463155514446455464462663315545314522232315
6323114623151312526312322664526665515452266222552315223112626544633146333231115133151145546633312631244464632
as sequence of digits. I don't assume that this is the right direction here. But maybe we can apply this algorithm to another sequence we find somewhere in the game, or infer a different algorithm to decode the UP signal sequence from the sound analysis image.
Now, I am aware that this is just a hypothesis ans many others out there right now, but maybe this is a worthwhile direction to think, when trying to figure out what the puzzle.
Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626
my apologies if this has come up already, but I would like to bring up the possibility that there might be no message in the UP image -- rather, it might contain the rule set to decode the actual message, which could be found somewhere else. My main reasons for assuming this is that the UP message has been referred to as "key" from official sites, which could infer a decryption key. But this is different from the message itself. Mind you, all of this is assuming that the message is alien in origin, and supposed to be decrypted. Which could well be wrong, of course.
For example, the actual message could be the message the UP is sending out constantly, i.e. the sequence of high and low sounds. Unlike the barnacle sound, the UP sequence is definitely not random, for instance there are never more than two high or low notes in succession in a sequence of 329 notes. This is highly consistent with being not random. I am referring to the UP recording on the front page of this thread, which gives
-.--..--.-..--..-..--..--..-..--..--.-..-.--..-.-.-.-.-.--..--..-.-..--.-..-.--.--.-..-.-.-.--.--.--.-.--.-..--.--..-.-.-..-.--.--..-..-..-.-.--.-.-..--..--.-.-..-..--..-..-.-.--..-.--.-.--..-..--..--.--..--..--..--.--.--.-..--..-..-..--.-..-.--.--..--.-..-..--..-.--.--..--.--..--.--.--..-.-.--..--..-.-.-..-..-..--.-..--..--.-.
What if that (or something else) is the actual message, which is encrypted, and the image we got from the sound analysis is the key to decrypt that message?
The following is, like everything else in this post, only speculation:
For instance: The pictures like -|-, -||, etc, could indicate:
a) The aliens use two different symbols "-" and "|", in triples, to encode information.
b) The symbols can be read as 1, 2, 3, 4 in binary, when going around the "round grid" part of the image, so they increase in clock-wise-direction. This could actually indicate that the symbols are used to count, i.e. triples of them depict numbers
c) This again could lead to the conclusion that the aliens use base 8 to count (since 3 bits can depict numbers from 0 to 7).
This could be the hint towards a key: Take a message which consists of sequences of two different symbols, pair them in groups of three, and convert them to numbers between 0 and 7. These can be grouped again to give numbers in base 8. Now I am not sure that this should be the actual key to decrypt the sequence of high / low notes the UP is emitting, because no 0's or 7's would be occurring, which strikes me as strange. Depending on where you start in that sequence, you get
5464623144632262525462464555125555323312455444532463244622545531146631466646223226632231331546662546251115146
3151446311464545253145151332253332646625133111265146511445313262315463155514446455464462663315545314522232315
6323114623151312526312322664526665515452266222552315223112626544633146333231115133151145546633312631244464632
as sequence of digits. I don't assume that this is the right direction here. But maybe we can apply this algorithm to another sequence we find somewhere in the game, or infer a different algorithm to decode the UP signal sequence from the sound analysis image.
Now, I am aware that this is just a hypothesis ans many others out there right now, but maybe this is a worthwhile direction to think, when trying to figure out what the puzzle.
Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626
Its step 1,2,3,4 or maybe the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th symbol on the drawing. If there were 9 symbols on the drawing nobody would talk about PI. I think the PI-Theory has to be killed pretty fast, its just wasting time.
The barnicles.. the ones that are HAND PLACED! I always wundered why, when others are random generated...
I THINK OF YOU WANT A STARTING PLACE FOR ANY MAP OR COMPAS. THE HAND PLACED BARNICLES WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.... they are there because they need to be there.. exactly there and not roughly there.
I THINK OF YOU WANT A STARTING PLACE FOR ANY MAP OR COMPAS. THE HAND PLACED BARNICLES WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.... they are there because they need to be there.. exactly there and not roughly there.
Someone asked.
UP hunt in the wild:
Rules & Prizes: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/275846-The-Great-UP-Hunt-(Take-Two)
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UP hunt in the wild:
Rules & Prizes: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/275846-The-Great-UP-Hunt-(Take-Two)
Registration of searches: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/275844-The-Great-UP-Hunt-Systems-under-examination
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Guys, is that only me, or I see numbers there? "15" for sure
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Relog. Bugs.
If broken in Open, try PG, if not in PG, try Solo.
Or the other way around. I've had to relog several times sometimes depending on server-load.
List:
Timestamp Nebula Name System + Planet Latitude Longitude
16.01.2016 05:09 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -26.3515 -156.4056
26.06.2016 23:26 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C 8.3379 -96.1337
27.06.2016 17:13 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -28.245 -109.5219
19.07.2016 19:14 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -28.77 -114.01
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Binary and morse theorists, riddle me this?
Why is the top pair of symbols in a different notation from the bottom pair?
And no, the answer is not image distortion!
Give me a better explanation.
Why is the top pair of symbols in a different notation from the bottom pair?
And no, the answer is not image distortion!
Give me a better explanation.
Sure, but do you have a better fit for 3142 around a circle ?
I don't. So I'll roll with that until someone finds something making more sense / leading somewhere usefull beyond : "it might be wrong"
Also, there is four numbers on 8 bits, which amouts to a lot of possible strings. So saying that it is the four first digits of the decimal system is not really an
argument here, especially since if it is indeed pi on four digits in decimal base, it has to contain 1,2,3 and 4.
(I mean, it could be 7844 or 1278 or whatever from the 4096 strings you can make of four oct.)
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there are 3 barnacles in "straight" line they all are in the -26 latidute...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3GQhC5KT-o9u05ihWKXebt4BcM/edit#gid=223643326
If the solution is that complex and unobtainable to the majority of gamers out there it does nothing but pander to themselves "look at how smart we are we created an uber hard puzzle that 99% of the gaming population couldn't solve until someone with a phd came along". Its a game. It needs to be challenging and fun to go out and find the breadcrumbs. They have a mechanism for us to search such as SRV's and planetary bodies. Stop using external programs ! Use your game!!
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