UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

Probably won't be in game for a while, but a wild UP hunting strategy I came up with would be to start at the outer edge of the UA shell, then plot an economical course from there to Merope (or Maia) and spend a few minutes in each system looking for USSs. The theory being that UPs might follow the same order of events that UAs did. First convoys, then free floaters near the Pleiades, then a shell. Thoughts?

 

[Colonel Kenney]

there are 3 barnacles in "straight" line they all are in the -26 latidute...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3GQhC5KT-o9u05ihWKXebt4BcM/edit#gid=223643326

I still want someone to find this "organic outcrop" and see what it is.

 

[woodhouse]

By the way, to those people thinking that the message must be very simple as they want us to understand it, here is an example real message that we have sent for aliens. See if you can understand it:

http://www.activeseti.org/images/evpatoria_2003.jpg

^^^ This.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Binary and morse theorists, riddle me this?
Why is the top pair of symbols in a different notation from the bottom pair?

And no, the answer is not image distortion!
Give me a better explanation.

Different 'look', not notation.
But I have none. I still go with the notion of "same kind of symbology, which fit's the binary notion, I'll use this until something better comes along. Because if the upper one's are binary, why isn't the bottom one's binary?".
It will still occupy my inner mind within my left toes when I sleep.

 

[Corvus_Dal]

there are 3 barnacles in "straight" line they all are in the -26 latidute...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3GQhC5KT-o9u05ihWKXebt4BcM/edit#gid=223643326

Yup, but the fourth one is to the east of the topmost cluster of two. I do intend to follow up on this but I doubt there is anything to the formation of the barnacle sites at this point in time, though some CMDRs are looking into it.

 

[brianpansky]

Binary and morse theorists, riddle me this?
Why is the top pair of symbols in a different notation from the bottom pair?

And no, the answer is not image distortion!
Give me a better explanation.

Different notation? What different notation?

The real question is: non-binary/morse theorists, riddle me this, why are the symbols identical to binary/morse? Give me an explanation (keeping in mind, of course, that the Unknown Artifacts are already confirmed to communicate images using morse code).

 

[MadDogMurdock]

I still want someone to find this "organic outcrop" and see what it is.

You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
This is a perfect example of people jumping on a very poorly substantiated claim because we have absolutely no clue what to do next.
Because people repeat it without any evidence, it gains more life than it deserves.
I'm pretty sure the guy came back and dismissed it himself as a mistake.

 

[Layne Vakarian]

So my last post seems to have been deluged in a rehash of the 'pi' argument. Or maybe it was considered pointless. Anyhoo, here I am again with a very quick and dirty attempt at an explanation. I'm orbiting Merope 5c, and I'm trying to line up 5a and 5b on the horizon as you can see in the screenshot (top right) so that they represent the two lines on the bottom left edge of the glyph. This as far as I've got, but what I'm getting at is whether or not we can in effect re-create the glyph in this fashion or something similar. Maybe Merope needs to be in there somewhere. Or Merope 5. Or something. See. I said I was trying for simple. Maybe not so easy in practice, but can something like this produce the X that marks the spot I wonder? Do we need to be here at a specific time? (If so I assume it'd be related to something equally simple like server time, rather than having to faff about figuring where we are in the relative orbits and all that jazz). Have a look. have a think.

Spoiler

 

[Heisenberg6626]

If the solution is that complex and unobtainable to the majority of gamers out there it does nothing but pander to themselves "look at how smart we are we created an uber hard puzzle that 99% of the gaming population couldn't solve until someone with a phd came along". Its a game. It needs to be challenging and fun to go out and find the breadcrumbs. They have a mechanism for us to search such as SRV's and planetary bodies. Stop using external programs ! Use your game!!

I don't think that this is much more complicated than what happened in the UA sound case -- there we had to use pairs of two-digit numbers in base 26 to draw pictures in a plane.

Cheers CMDR Heisenberg6626

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Different notation? What different notation?

The real question is: non-binary/morse theorists, riddle me this, why are the symbols identical to binary/morse? Give me an explanation (keeping in mind, of course, that the Unknown Artifacts are already confirmed to communicate images using morse code).

The top pair uses wider dashes and narrower spacing than the bottom pair.
Makes no sense if they are supposed to be part of the same notation system.

 

[Jintosh]

There seems to be recordings of what *could* be a voice going around, it'd be nice to know which section it came from for others to confirm/deny.
Added to that is another couple of pics that seem to have numbers in them (again, where in the signal were they obtained?)

Putting pi and pi together to get 42, it makes me wonder if the voice (which seems to indicate we need to be orbiting something) is there to add to the numbers, which could be be heading to take?

Not much use without a starting point, and that lovely circle does seem to be the thing to get one from, however one thing that has me thinking is the question "which way round should it be?" Audacity, and the other programs, all read left to right, like most EU/US do, but other societies read right to left instead. On top of that is the whole "is it a page or is it a scroll?" question. The most recent real message-to-aliens that was posted is read like a scroll, top down. If our message is scroll-like, maybe it should be turned clockwise by 90 degrees. This seems to make sense, especially when you see how the four symbols around the main circle seem to suggest up/down with horizon (or at least to me).

Anyway, enough rambling for me. Time to log in and see if I can find stuff in game.

 

[LordZoltan]

I dont want to derail anything here, but what if these lifeforms communicating with us through the probe do not count in 10's like we do?

What would Pi be in a number system based on 8's?

There was a game based on Rama, a book by Arthur C Clarke that tackled this as a logic puzzle. It was a nightmare for my 6 year old self, but it always stuck with me.

Should a different view of numbers be taken in to consideration?

For my part, I will be exploring 5c for a few days yet. I can't do much else as I will be moving soon, and thus have no internet for a few days.

i think decimals only work in a number system that's base 10 (or possibly base 10^[i]n[/i] where n >=1)

 

[Lobey]

Apologies for quoting myself, but has anyone, apart from Allant, checked this out? Was anything found in this area?

5C is glitching terribly for me (POI not showing/falling into the planet etc), so I can't do much myself, which is really annoying [sad]

I'll be back there shortly, have been living in and around this general area for about 3 days -lots of blown apart srv's and ship crashes with lots of escape pods - have also spent a lot of time under and between the two cap ships - have flown in convoy with the generated ships (so far no attacks- but they do scan me) - i'm green to the caps and neutral to the patrols.
Sometimes can't get back to orbit - have to switch to solo - but otherwise reasonably stable for me.

 

[gaplant]

Nope I'm not trolling. What I saw 100% was an "Organic Outcrop". I was in VR at the time and screenshots produced double image without the HUD so I cropped it out and posted (http://imgur.com/LO0jVbE). Shadowplay was inactive so no video either. Whilst I was writing the post the VR compositor powered down so when I came back to it I was physically out of the SRV with dead controls (VR issue). I had no choice but to log out and in again, but the outcrop was gone. I am massively frustrated by this. I spent some time looking for it but nausea kicked in so I called it a night. Re-attempted search again this morning and felt sick quite quickly (SRV on mountain not great in VR even on 90fps). So I reverted back to 2d screen and spent 1hr searching with still no luck.

Co-ordinates of the Organic Outcrop are at Merope 5c -26.4637 -156.4498



100% sure what I saw.

Update: searching this morning resulted in an application crash in that area. I can't remember the last time I had a crash, it's been that long.

why would you crop anything out... whyyyyyy

whyyyyyy?!?!?​

 

[MadDogMurdock]

i think decimals only work in a number system that's base 10 (or possibly base 10^[i]n[/i] where n >=1)

They'd be octimals in base 8.

0.1 is 1/n where n is the base.
0.01 is 1/n² and so on

 

[woodhouse]

Has anyone tried using their ship's headlights to communicate with UAs or UPs, copying the 4 symbols as a guide (dots and dashes)?

I lazily browsed here and came up with R W D U, going left-to-right top-to-bottom, and can't think of what it means or what the rainbow curve signifies...but, do we all remember Independence Day and trying to communicate through light-signal morse code?

I'm mostly just curious if anybody's thoroughly tried that route before.

And then maybe this is relevant:

ship lights = binary signal
srv lights = ternary signal

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

By the way, to those people thinking that the message must be very simple as they want us to understand it, here is an example real message that we have sent for aliens. See if you can understand it:

http://www.activeseti.org/images/evpatoria_2003.jpg

The Pakleds wouldn't have a chance.

 

[Corvus_Dal]

why would you crop anything out... whyyyyyy

whyyyyyy?!?!?​

We need to put this to rest. It was just an odd looking outcropping. They appear in the area of that barnacle depending on the terrain - usually the rougher areas. Just like outcroppings in other locations. These ones spit out Magne - something. Look kind of like popcorn. I promise these are unrelated to the puzzle. This is becoming a literal red herring. Literally promise.

 

[gaplant]

We need to put this to rest. It was just an odd looking outcropping. They appear in the area of that barnacle depending on the terrain - usually the rougher areas. Just like outcroppings in other locations. These ones spit out Magne - something. Look kind of like popcorn. I promise these are unrelated to the puzzle. This is becoming a literal red herring. Literally promise.

whyyyyyyy

 

[brianpansky]

The top pair uses wider dashes and narrower spacing than the bottom pair.
Makes no sense if they are supposed to be part of the same notation system.

Ah, so your real question is "why is the spacing different". That has to be taken into account as an unanswered question, yes, but as evidence it weighs far less than the obvious (resemblance of the symbols to Morse or binary), combined with our prior knowledge of Unknown Artifacts indeed using Morse.