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UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Yes, thats the barnacles you're referring to.
They can be targeted now, and scanned. Url to spreadsheet is on the front page.
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Timestamp Nebula Name System + Planet Latitude Longitude
16.01.2016 05:09 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -26.3515 -156.4056
26.06.2016 23:26 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C 8.3379 -96.1337
27.06.2016 17:13 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -28.245 -109.5219
19.07.2016 19:14 Pleiades Nebula Merope 5 C -28.77 -114.01
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So I just wanted to post this as I have yet to see anything like this on the threadnaught.
The globe in the image made me think of this.
Maybe its not Merope, but her father we should be looking into.
The globe in the image made me think of this.
Maybe its not Merope, but her father we should be looking into.
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My personal belief is that the bottom pair are not binary, but are being used as boundaries: we have |.. on the left and ..| on the right - to me this is a logical way of pictographically representing the container (for the message) as we have two 'walls' with 'stuff' in between. It's easy to understand without using language and, importantly, works the same in both directions.
A very hi-tech message in a bottle, indeed.
The two symbols up top may also not be binary or morse, but I'm not seeing any logical way to interpret them. Yet.
Also, hello Thread 8!
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Really?
I think the obvious difference between the top and bottom pair casts significant doubt on them being part of the same notation.
Seriously, if you were sending a message, why would you use two different fonts unless there was some significance to it?
Very nice! Given how FD liked to link Greek mythology into their puzzles, this could be a nice hint. Now, whether aliens know about Atlas or not is another thing... ;-)
Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626
Because one section is not morse? Maybe one is binary and one is morse?
The problem with this class of approach is it involves multiple moving objects. So yes it would have to be at a specific time and yes you will have to faff about figuring out orbital mechanics. The obvious timing is Merope5c at periapsis. I will give you a big donut if you can figure out when that is within a precision of a few hours (~1 part in 50 error) I gave it some thought last night and I think I have a way of calculating it to about that precision through observation after fiddling with Wolzan's wonderful tool here: http://www.elitegalaxyonline.com/system-view/?system_id=4216
Merope5's rings and it's known orbital/inclination parameters make a nice marker for figuring out where Merope5c's ascending and descending nodes are, given that Merop5c has a fairly circular orbit it's relatively straight forward to figure out *when* the ascending node is via observations from the surface and then using that to figure out periapsis. More work than I'm willing to do but I expect it's doable to a reasonable level of precision, ie a few hours. The more observational effort the easier it becomes. Nice of the HUD to give us a nifty inclination protractor. I might do it someday for a lark (or if I become convinced that the bottom right quadrant angle is in fact Merope5c's argument of periapsis which makes it a timing mark).
There are some things in the puzzle that might just be too much to have to deal with. An early starting place in METI (message extra terrestrial intelligence) that involve teaching maths as a common ground and then perhaps some kind of language.
Strictly speaking the UA puzzle for (X,Y) coordinates was (symbol) -> (number) although in its puzzle form it was (morse code) -> (letter) -> (number), which means you don't have to start the puzzle with teaching number systems.
TL;DR: the aliens don't know Morse code, instead it was a puzzle construct to hide information and avoid introducing a cumbersome step in the puzzle.
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Possibly. But it has to tie up the the other leads in a way which enables us to verify it.
But I cannot see why they would use two different methods of communication within the same group/pattern, unless there a very good reason for it (it may be).
It would obfuscate it even more, so it would be more logical to think it's the same type.
However the possibility shouldn't be excluded.
But when you do make your spreadsheets and tests to see what comes out in the other end (you are doing that right?), it must be possible to produce something we can verify.
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Given we seem to have a padlock and key on the left hand side, I'm going to go with it meant to be read left to right.
Plus Frontier is a british game developer so left to right make the most sense.
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I'm not 100% convinced they are different.
Look at the circle, it's brighter and thicker at the bottom than at the top. Likewise the bars and dashes. It's not necessarily a different font, but the same 'characters' at a different vertical point in the image, thus appearing thinner/shorter and fainter.
I agree here, which means the symbols must mean something else.
Doubt, yes. But not enough to overcome the certainties I listed. Weighing the two results in cautious confidence that we are looking at Morse or Binary.
Yes, the unanswered question I acknowledged.
I'll bite. Pretending for a moment that they're *intentionally* different and looking at my highlighted image here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nonn/page534?p=4262647&viewfull=1#post4262647
One possible explanation is perspective. The bottom of the image is rotate toward the viewer by some amount (that angle could actually be calculated by normalizing the width's of the fonts). This is somewhat consistent with my suggestion in that linked posts that the artifacts to the right of the main image are directions about how to rotate the sphere. The replicated double line portion (from the bottom left of the image) shows one of the lines shortened, that could be consistent with pitch forward (to fix perspective) and rotate around axis.
I gave up on that line of theory since like all the other models it's still missing a fixed point of reference. If you don't have a fixed reference point then rotating a sphere through any of the 3 axis leaves you with a sphere no different than the one you started with. Still I like that interpretation of the pictograph, it's the best I've come up with so far that involves all the elements in some fashion.
(My real theory though is that the scaling is just an artifact of not really having a fixed witdh font. They put the two veritical lines really close together because they could).
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I'm talking about the horizontal dashes, not the vertical lines.
The only distortion that would vary their length is a time distortion, however the left symbols occupy the same time frame, as do the right pair.
Also, any distortion would either stretch or compress and yet we have wider spacing but shorter dashes in the bottom pair.
The bottom symbols are about 50% wider than the tops ones, even with the smaller dashes.
A binary / morse notation system only require 2 marks and they should use consistent spacing.
We have 3 different marks and differing spacing leading me to doubt any theories using the symbols as a single notation system - which apparently is most of them!
To convince me otherwise requires an explanation of the use of different notation.
For example, they are all binary but in pairs that refer to two different things.
I bet the space barnacles probed you to say that.
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