UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Ha fair enough, I probably wouldn't either. The info will make its way here one way or another, and I'm surprised it's not here already. I don't want to go stealing any thunder here, so maybe start the vod at the 2:22:00 mark
you can't steal something somebody doesn't have
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what the fruitbasket even is that? is it a variety of the bouncy balls you sit on and bounce around, or is it a decorative thingy?
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none that I know of. I'm a big fan of testing this just to cross it off the list, cause it's easy and you can do it while other people are doing other things.
I put it on the big THINGS TO TEST list on the Canonn discord
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Don't download anything, here is a free one online; it provides the same image the OP gave and you can change the scale to get more of the image https://academo.org/demos/spectrum-analyzer/
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Let me say I'm 100% with MadDogMurdock here, and if you check something like 7000 post back, immediately after the first binary interpretation of the symbols, I've immediately raised the same objection. And the difference in spacing is VERY CLEAR.
And it is even easier to note it, because the two pictograms on the left side, the -|- and the | - - are composed by the same "dash'n dots" EXACTLY, that are one | and two -, so their length, the pictograms width, should be exactly the same. That is not. And the left and right margins of the 4 pictos are perfectly aligned, so please, don't tell me there is a distortion.
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it really is a misfortune, IMHO, that the interpratation of 3.142 is, by misfortune as I said, made of the same four numbers that make the most basic sequence in the universe, I mean: 1,2,3,4.
Really, why is there a need to let us know Pi ?! What use can we do of it?
It's not a real message from Aliens: it's David Braben and Michael Brookes fooling us with a riddle
Those pictograms, being either in a group or four, or two groups of two, mean something else.
I agree that the spacing is clearly different. The symbols are also slightly different too - the '|' are the same I think, but the top uses '-' and the bottom uses something like '.' - but more like boxes, vertically centred.
So, okay - let's ignore the bottom two. For now.
Potential interpretations of the top two symbols: '-|-' and '-||':
010 and 011 binary
Most significant bit first: 2 and 3
Least significant bit first: 2 and 5
- the attraction for this, I think, is the obvious similarity (nay - it's identical) between this and how humanity expressed numbers in binary on the voyager disk. Is there any real merit in that? Perhaps not in-game, no (only at a stretch). But taken as a group of humans setting a puzzle for a bunch of gamers, then it gains more kudos I feel.
Or it could be morse: dot-dash-dot and dot-dash-dash
Which is 'R' and 'W'
- The attraction for this is that we already have a precedent for morse from the UAs, and UPs clearly come from the same stock. On the flip side, this could reduce the chances of that. There's also the *obvious* problem: '|' instead of '-'. This drastically reduces the likelihood of it being morse for me. However we have to acknowledge - it does give two recognisable characters.
Another one:
'-|-' could be seen as '+'. But '-||' doesn't equal its natural partner '-'.
Or they could be crude diagrams of something, but now we're getting into the realms of wild interpretative variance: it's entirely unlikely any two observers would agree on any of them, which makes it really rubbish (garbage) as an attempt to communicate.
'-|-' could indicate and asteroid belt in a system map, perhaps. '-||' could mean two, side by side.
Or it could be concepts - like 'middle' and 'right'.
In evaluating these, and more besides, we also have to consider their placement: these two symbols undeniably line up with the two on the bottom, and are therefore undeniably placed in the 'corners' of the main image. So, regardless of whether they use the same symbols: there must be a relation there somewhere.
If we take the first, or even second interpretations (we've all) suggested above, and which must of us deem the most likely, then both those two bottom sequences can also be interpreted as either binary or morse. This, alongside their geometric relation both to each other and the central symbol, leaves me in the camp that, despite the different symbology, they are intended to be interpreted using the same rules we settle on for the top two.
The question is how we use them after that. If it's a multi-step puzzle then the first step is always the easiest, and the smallest.
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Do I HAVE to do that? I really despise all that social media stuff. Forums are fine but Imgur and all that lot..? Really? I'm not even on facebook!
If that's the only way to join in this discussion (with images) I'll just stay out of it.
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The log scale is changing the vertical scale, not the horizontal one.
If you want to upload hassle free then yep its the best way.
Its not even a social media. its a utility to post pictures online and even store them and share them with others.
UAs were flashed (tee hee) with ship lights quite a lot early on to no effect. sorry I saw your post earlier, but was so far behind I didn't respond in case someone else did.
The line and arc (bottom right, top left) seem reminiscent of right ascension and declination. If we assume that the grid is meant to represent a planet (or starfield viewed from a planet) then those two aspects uniquely define a point in the sky.
The bad news is, of course, that time factors in in a really complicated way, due to orbits and rotations. Maybe some of the other information is meant to provide that baseline?
The bad news is, of course, that time factors in in a really complicated way, due to orbits and rotations. Maybe some of the other information is meant to provide that baseline?
It's fine. Probably better this way.
use that one:
http://abload.de/
no registration and provides direct link. It exists since longer too.
sry that it is a german page dunno if they have an en page too.
Sounds like Facebook to me. I just want to put my image on here.
Best of luck guys. Hope you all get a breakthrough soon but I'll not bother if it means faffing on with Imgur.
UPs! Makes sense to try.
But think:
A boundary doesn't tell you what is on the other side of the boundary. There could be another separated message on the other side of the boundary. If you think you can say for sure that there is no message below the boundary, then what use was the boundary?
And, in any case, why does the boundary look exactly like Morse or binary? Why not just a line or something?
That, combined with the fact that we know already that Unknown Artifacts use Morse, makes it quite unlikely that it's anything other than Morse/Binary.
That's currently what makes the most sense. So far, no other interpretation is as credible or sensible. But always feel free to check if you can make better sense of it on a different interpretation, just to be safe!
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Must have been a really helpful image then.
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So I went back and drew some lines on my image (original linked above) denoting the stop start of the bottom |-- and --| symbols. It's pretty easy to see that they don't line up.
Possibly it was just laziness but the scaling is consistent left to right and top to bottom so it does possibly seem intentional.
I'm not sold either way. Arguments that it's a counting primer (1,2,3,4) and therefore a series of steps is very compelling, arguments that they don't line up can't be refuted, but whether that mean something .....i
I'm not one for hints but if the image is accidentally borked up I hope FDEV fixes it and releases a new version. Things are complicated enough without adding how to differentiate errors from artifacts in a confusion limited source.
So, are they only found in Ross 47? I've checked everywhere before i went to Barnards loop.. couldn't find a single one.. I havn't checked Ross 47.
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