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UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Currently I'm believing we're seeing tech from two different races of the same species. One is scanning our ships and sending the information to somewhere in Merope, the other is trying to contact us and when identifying we're nearby via the honk sending information about where the UA's are relaying their data to, apparently somewhere above or on Merope 5C
I think it's a friendly warning
I think it's a friendly warning
I've been saying this for a while. We need to see if there's any way to see where this message is going. I proposed putting a shell of ships so far from the probe and another shell around that, activate the probe, and see if there's any direction to the EMP or sound that comes out of the probe. If there is, we can try this in another spot to triangulate where the signal is going. If the signal is going into witch space, I propose putting ships at A-B- and C equidistant from each other. Have a ship at point B activate the probe, then have a ship at point A jump to point C and see what happens. This is a "probe," which means it's gathering info to send back somewhere. Find out where it's sending the info and boom.
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Again, not what was asked. The Barnacles don't corrode your ship as no-one's packed one on board yet
I like it. Simple.
And I liked your reply about the reason for the first quadrant to be at bottom right: the need to have a 138° angle.
And I liked all the four instructions you've proposed. The two beams of light the most
I was starting to do a similar experiment before losing the UP: I was hovering M5c with the UP in hold, honking all around it.
Problem is that the planet is huge, and hovering all of it and honking could be a pain, and too random.
There should be some more detailed place to search IMHO. But who knows?
They only thing I can think of is that the length of the lines in the last quadrant are of sufficient size that you should be able to see them even if you are well over the horizon. So you drop, honk in all directions, see the light far away, enter orbit in that direction, honk again, close in on it. But this might not work at 5C, maybe 5C is just being used as a 'key' for the other planets we need to find.
Y'ever think this is exactly what the UAs and probe are for? To narrow down the search?
Again, not what was asked. The Barnacles don't corrode your ship as no-one's packed one on board yet
We were asking if the UP and UA were related - I said they were.
Anyway has anyone found a UP free floater yet?
Actually...
Right now, Up's are reacting to our scanner, so can we use scanners to look for them? Like spam them and wait till our ship's will turn off?
And... It was supposed to be quite easy to guess why barnacles are in nebula's ... in sci-fi you usually fly into nebula to hide. Maybe that's why?
But then, hide from who? Probes maybe?
I am sorry if someone has already said it xd.
Right now, Up's are reacting to our scanner, so can we use scanners to look for them? Like spam them and wait till our ship's will turn off?
And... It was supposed to be quite easy to guess why barnacles are in nebula's ... in sci-fi you usually fly into nebula to hide. Maybe that's why?
But then, hide from who? Probes maybe?
I am sorry if someone has already said it xd.
Wow, you are a salty, salty boy.
My impression of the UA shell is that it is a quarantine zone or no-fly zone or DMZ of sorts. Not for us, of course, but rather between Peter and Paul. For the sake of argument, let's say the UAs belong to Peter, and the UPs belong to Paul. If the UAs scan ships and transmit their results, then perhaps they're specifically watching for Paul's ships.
Now I see in the UP Tests doc that Test 28, "Honk at a UP with a UA nearby" may have produced a change in audio. Now I believe folks have tested to see whether the UA will scan a UP, with no obvious result. But I wonder if perhaps the audio transmission might be different between a UA scanning your ship with and without a UP in the hold. In the context of my proposed scenario, the UAs might be watching to see if the UPs are being smuggled out of the quarantine zone.
In any case, as this is a testable hypothesis, it might be worth adding to the list of proposed tests. Or you could, you know, try honking at the UP at a barnacle site, dunno why nobody has done that one yet--seems obvious, amirite?
EDIT: Another possible test might be to drop a UA next to one of the convoy ships carrying a UP to see if there are any interesting audio responses.
Now I see in the UP Tests doc that Test 28, "Honk at a UP with a UA nearby" may have produced a change in audio. Now I believe folks have tested to see whether the UA will scan a UP, with no obvious result. But I wonder if perhaps the audio transmission might be different between a UA scanning your ship with and without a UP in the hold. In the context of my proposed scenario, the UAs might be watching to see if the UPs are being smuggled out of the quarantine zone.
In any case, as this is a testable hypothesis, it might be worth adding to the list of proposed tests. Or you could, you know, try honking at the UP at a barnacle site, dunno why nobody has done that one yet--seems obvious, amirite?
EDIT: Another possible test might be to drop a UA next to one of the convoy ships carrying a UP to see if there are any interesting audio responses.
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Huh, no one's sold one have they? We know selling things can trigger effects in game.... hmmm..
My impression of the UA shell is that it is a quarantine zone or no-fly zone or DMZ of sorts. Not for us, of course, but rather between Peter and Paul. For the sake of argument, let's say the UAs belong to Peter, and the UPs belong to Paul. If the UAs scan ships and transmit their results, then perhaps they're specifically watching for Paul's ships.
Now I see in the UP Tests doc that Test 28, "Honk at a UP with a UA nearby" may have produced a change in audio. Now I believe folks have tested to see whether the UA will scan a UP, with no obvious result. But I wonder if perhaps the audio transmission might be different between a UA scanning your ship with and without a UP in the hold. In the context of my proposed scenario, the UAs might be watching to see if the UPs are being smuggled out of the quarantine zone.
In any case, as this is a testable hypothesis, it might be worth adding to the list of proposed tests. Or you could, you know, try honking at the UP at a barnacle site, dunno why nobody has done that one yet--seems obvious, amirite?
I think he also said the UA's could be more advanced and that also could be testable.. though maybe he meant all 3 things I said..
I think maybe since UP's are found further away from Merope it has to be a less advanced version and the UA actually can listen for them. We just haven't decoded all the information the UA has to give.. if any that is possible. We just need to find free floater UP's. Thing is if they've been far enough to be into the bubble then most would have been collected by now. Maybe even in the lore of the game as a different name?
What is the approx distance between sirius and merope? Lets look in a bubble that far out for UP's? Maybe each nebula has its own bubble? What is the originating nebula though? Maybe the other nebula spread them?
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OK for clarification
Would the UP's be "pods" sent out from the UA? From those little tubes? They gain mass as they collect gasses and expand? Then turn into UP's? They are launched from their mother UA's and report back to the nearest barnacles? Most other barnacles are further away?
UA and UP pointing for different reasons.
Barnacles related to UA+UP (Who knows)
Nope, been searching for the last few days.
The image is not scaled correctly on the Y-axis.
A ways back in this thread, I posted an image showing that the circle and the grid in the symbol don't line up. Someone kindly pointed out that the way the image was "stretched" could cause some misalignment.
So, I went back to the image, and set out to prove that it wasn't incorrectly stretched. To do this, I focused on the grid under the assumption that it is intended to be symmetrical. I used two different sources (images), one from the front page (blue) and the other... I don't know where I got it from.
The following image shows that the signal has been "stretched" to create a close proximity to a circle. I still point out that the grid center and the circle center ARE NOT ALIGNED. The rest is just me playing around seeing what fits...
Here is my attempt to align SYMMETRICAL ellipses across the grids:
You will notice, the ellipses in GREEN match up as well. The ellipses in YELLOW do not. I lined them up in the top hemisphere, and they do not line up in the lower hemisphere.
So I went back to the image with the elliptical profile instead of the circular one. Note, once again, the ellipse center and the grid ARE NOT ALIGNED.
And here is what it looks like when I try to align SYMMETRICAL ellipses across the grids:
Again, the GREEN ellipses match up well. The YELLOW ellipses do not.
At this point, I wonder if the purpose of the grid is simply to verify if the image is properly scaled in X and Y as well as representing a spherical body (otherwise, why not use a square grid to establish scale?)
A ways back in this thread, I posted an image showing that the circle and the grid in the symbol don't line up. Someone kindly pointed out that the way the image was "stretched" could cause some misalignment.
So, I went back to the image, and set out to prove that it wasn't incorrectly stretched. To do this, I focused on the grid under the assumption that it is intended to be symmetrical. I used two different sources (images), one from the front page (blue) and the other... I don't know where I got it from.
The following image shows that the signal has been "stretched" to create a close proximity to a circle. I still point out that the grid center and the circle center ARE NOT ALIGNED. The rest is just me playing around seeing what fits...
Here is my attempt to align SYMMETRICAL ellipses across the grids:
You will notice, the ellipses in GREEN match up as well. The ellipses in YELLOW do not. I lined them up in the top hemisphere, and they do not line up in the lower hemisphere.
So I went back to the image with the elliptical profile instead of the circular one. Note, once again, the ellipse center and the grid ARE NOT ALIGNED.
And here is what it looks like when I try to align SYMMETRICAL ellipses across the grids:
Again, the GREEN ellipses match up well. The YELLOW ellipses do not.
At this point, I wonder if the purpose of the grid is simply to verify if the image is properly scaled in X and Y as well as representing a spherical body (otherwise, why not use a square grid to establish scale?)
I am 100 % sure we dont need new probes. We have everything it was supposed to deliver. We need the image decoded.
I asked this question earlier but because I don't really know what I'm talking about it turns out I asked it in the wrong form. The glyph. This is a result of doing a FFT on the wave-form of the actual signal is it? (and don't get technical - I know the term fast fourier transformation but have little clue what it is or how it works.) Anyway, my point is this is a two-dimensional thingy. When I first came across the terminology about a million years or so back, the image used in the example was three-dimensional. Looked a bit like a cut-away image of a mountain range.
Has anybody tried doing that on this audio? I get we might then lose the glyph, but would we see more 'other' data?
I hope this makes some kind of sense to the audio boffins. Oh, and apologies if I missed it having been done in the hail of posts since we started.
Has anybody tried doing that on this audio? I get we might then lose the glyph, but would we see more 'other' data?
I hope this makes some kind of sense to the audio boffins. Oh, and apologies if I missed it having been done in the hail of posts since we started.
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Anything from rathergood is... well... rather good
Though I do prefer the older oneshttp://rathergood.com/holding/
Maybe even just docking with with a UP in the hold at one of the engineer outposts where the engineer is interested in such things might trigger a response of some sort from the engineer.
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