The Star Citizen Thread v5

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The MVP will be just Stanton's system alone I reckon - he's already talked up how much there'll be to do in just that one system a bunch of times now.

I agree. I said as much ages ago when this talk of MVP was being put about. Now as you say Croberto is talking about the "hundreds of hours" you could spend doing things in Stanton and how it's apparently going to be finished all fleshed out at end of the year if 3.0 lands on time.

That'll be star citizen: MVP edition. Released to glorifying adulation of the faithful masses. Much whooping and whistling and clapping will accompany Croberto smug grin as he pronounces...."but we're not finished" and the cycle will begin again. "MO' MONEH" they'll cry ... see the next advancement in the CIG reality show where some more refactoring will deliver you the Nyx system.

Buy a Mega Idris!
 
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Pretty much - it's quite near the start of one of the recent interviews, if this thread wasn't so mind-bogglingly polluted with the zealots making us repeat everything twenty times I'd go back and find it, but he says about it's 40 locations and the scale of planet surfaces and having seen how much fun people have with the tiny bit that's there now that he imagines people will get hundreds of hours play out of just Stanton. Release that, end the refund nonsense and then start campaigning for more funds to add all the features why not - the ever expanding WoW style MMO and ongoing campaigning through the fully e-funding enabled website and existing subscription models. It's all been put out there in the open now just not joined up into a pattern so when people are disappointed they have their backs covered as it being all announced months ago.
 
And thanks to the sheer volume of their marketing releases no one will remember the majority of their promises when the MVP releases (how many people buying in after the Gamescom demo know the promises of tracking blood oxygenation, Endeavour modules and procedural birds?)
 
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Just because we said weeks, not months we did not literally mean weeks, not months.
Just because we said Squadron 42 for 2016 we did not literally mean Squadron 42 for 2016.
Just because we said 100 star systems we did not literally mean 100 star systems.
Just because....:rolleyes:
 
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The MVP will be just Stanton's system alone I reckon - he's already talked up how much there'll be to do in just that one system a bunch of times now.
The scope of the final product (if they ever get there) will most likely be that of a small $15 indie game (one with a sub-million-budget) on an outdated engine.

Croberts talked about 1 of his dollars equaling 4 "publisher dollars". Means, what a publisher does with 4 dollars, he thinks, he does with 1.

While in Reality it is more the opposite with 1 real game developer dollar equaling 100 Roberts dollars. People who paid $1500 will roughly get the game value of $15. And for people with a $60 package it will feel like free to play with a cosmetic $0.60 micro-transaction.

If SC doesn't fold beforehand, it might set a new benchmark of price/performance ratio. Like if you just paid for a GTX Titan and then got an Atom/Celeron IGP.
 
Just because we said weeks, not months we did not literally mean weeks, not months.
Just because we said Squadron 42 for 2016 we did not literally mean Squadron 42 for 2016.
Just because we said 100 star systems we did not literally mean 100 star systems.
Just because....:rolleyes:

You literally don't understand game development!
 
Just because we said weeks, not months we did not literally mean weeks, not months.
Just because we said Squadron 42 for 2016 we did not literally mean Squadron 42 for 2016.
Just because we said 100 star systems we did not literally mean 100 star systems.
Just because....:rolleyes:

We just have to let go of our petty pre conceived notions and understanding of the meaning of numerals and words.

For all we know when CR said 2016 he may have meant version 2016. Or he may decree a new numbering convention for years whereby from 2017 the years become 2016.0 and so forth.

*waves hands furiously in solidarity with the glorious chairman*
 
So is there a complete purdah on 2.6 until citizen con? I wondered if it would have more impact to release it to all the backers as the reveal, rather than only to the avocados?
 
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The scope of the final product (if they ever get there) will most likely be that of a small $15 indie game (one with a sub-million-budget) on an outdated engine.

Croberts talked about 1 of his dollars equaling 4 "publisher dollars". Means, what a publisher does with 4 dollars, he thinks, he does with 1.

While in Reality it is more the opposite with 1 real game developer dollar equaling 100 Roberts dollars. People who paid $1500 will roughly get the game value of $15. And for people with a $60 package it will feel like free to play with a cosmetic $0.60 micro-transaction.

If SC doesn't fold beforehand, it might set a new benchmark of price/performance ratio. Like if you just paid for a GTX Titan and then got an Atom/Celeron IGP.

It goes back to my box analogy. Backers paid for a $100 box, but will end up with a $20 box - without a lid.

See what happened with NMS over a $60 game. Imagine what happens when, in the end, someone could get both SC (MVP) + SQ42 (prelude) for $45; while you've spent over $6K on worthless ships.

Right now, according to funding metrics, only about 2000 whales are still giving them money. That's assuming the funding chart is accurate (most of us don't think that it is).

From what I am hearing, they are dangerously low on funds, hence the need to continue with concept sales, and the push to get SQ42 prelude out by end of the year. Thing is, even though most backers are already entitled to SQ42 for free; and so far, nobody I know who has seen and/or worked on SQ42, thinks it's going to make even a dent.

At Gamescom2016, they raised over $4m (a little over a month of funding at rumored burn rate) based on lies and pretty pictures. We're hearing that they are set to do the same thing in three weeks at CitizenCon2016.

At the end of the day, once this train-wreck comes to an end, all this chatter is what we're all going to come back to review and debate. That's why I'm keeping score.
 
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They were short on funds in 2015 with someone claiming they will collapse in 90 days (IIRC), and yet CIG is still here, with late-year sales and SC 2.0 giving them a big boost in funding. Why should this year be any different?
 
They were short on funds in 2015 with someone claiming they will collapse in 90 days (IIRC), and yet CIG is still here, with late-year sales and SC 2.0 giving them a big boost in funding. Why should this year be any different?

That "someone" was, in fact, dsmart himself. Which is in fact the brain behind all the made up Star Citizen controversy.
He has been claiming that CIG is out of funds for years now, yet they are still rolling. He has also been claiming for years that the presentations from CIG are fake, yet we have been playing that supposedly "fake" stuff for months. I don't really know if it's fake or not, but it looks kinda real on my PC when i play it.

All this is funny and sad at the same time, because this guy could be doing something constructive instead of a personal war against another developer. The reason why he wants CR to fail? No one knows. Maybe he is just jealous because CR has made successful games and he hasn't, or maybe CR stole his girlfriend when they were kids... who knows.
 
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That "someone" was, in fact, dsmart himself. Which is in fact the brain behind all the made up Star Citizen controversy.
He has been claiming that CIG is out of funds for years now, yet they are still rolling. He has also been claiming for years that the presentations from CIG are fake, yet we have been playing that supposedly "fake" stuff for months. I don't really know if it's fake or not, but it looks kinda real on my PC when i play it.

He is not 'the brains' behind it, he is just one of the many, many people who see the same problems. When Dereks said they were running out of funds, CIG had a roadmap:
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Instead of the real Alpha, we got the 'baby' PU. Which is literally less than 0.5% of the 100 full systems. The presentation of Star Marine turned out to be absolute (although I am glad to hear you are the only one who actually has it on his pc, are you enjoying your planetary landings as well?). First episode of SQ42 wasnt released in 2015, and wont be released this year either. Persistence wasn't released in 2015, and is only partially introduced in 2016. And the commerical launch of SC isn't done either this year, and most likely wont be released next year either. Even 2018 is iffy at this point.

I am not sure, but if you miss all targets without any kind of indication when they might actually achieve any of it 'still rolling' is a bit optimistic...
 
I have played the SC 2.0 tech demo, the controversy is all but made up, though it doesn't mean that CIG is as close to the precipice as some people suggest.
 
I have played the SC 2.0 tech demo, the controversy is all but made up, though it doesn't mean that CIG is as close to the precipice as some people suggest.

Oh, don't get me wrong. The controversy is real, but all the rumors were made up by that single guy, dsmart.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong. The controversy is real, but all the rumors were made up by that single guy, dsmart.
Nah. Derek is a late-comer on the scene — he just gets the glory because he retweets anything and everything and because Chris anointed him as Citizens' Enemy N°1 in his Escapist rant. It's kind of funny how much power Chris has provided him with.
 
My memory is getting fuzzy now what with age and all. Was 2.0 released after CCON last year?
The hope is that at the end of this year they will release 3.0? So that is isn't 1yr of alpha total, that is 1yr to complete 1 step iteration of alpha, with no published statement if there will be a 4.0 or if MVP comes after 3.x?
 
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Nah. Derek is a late-comer on the scene — he just gets the glory because he retweets anything and everything and because Chris anointed him as Citizens' Enemy N°1 in his Escapist rant. It's kind of funny how much power Chris has provided him with.

He is not a latecomer. dsmart has been on the scene since more than 15 years ago. He is well known for "Derek Smart's Desktop Commander".
 
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