I will say, the experience of working as part of a team to get stuff accomplished in PS2 is awesome. The downside: there ain't much to accomplish besides taking a series of bases over and over and over and over and over again.
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I will say, the experience of working as part of a team to get stuff accomplished in PS2 is awesome. The downside: there ain't much to accomplish besides taking a series of bases over and over and over and over and over again.
Yeah but it's how you do it that makes it fun. Bit like chess I suppose. Same board, same pieces every time you play.
PS2 uses a "bubble" system, meaning that you get sent position updates for entities within a certain area around you, but not beyond that. PS2 does include a priority system (a engineer turret is visible even from farther away, whereas a single infantry soldier is not) and they scale that bubble depending on the amount of players. In very big battles, you can run into situations where troops and tanks just "pop in" as they get close to your bubble.
And of course, with something as massive as PS2 you simply cannot do everything serverside. The best you can do is verify post-factum serverside and punish potential cheaters, but PS2 is not doing a great job with that. They are doing a great job with prediction and lag compensation however, especially considering the scale of things.
Still it's a great game and one of only three online games I know that can handle more than 250 players in one battlefield. (The other two were Planetside 1 and Joint Operations)
Incidentally, another game that used a similar system (for some weird reason) was Falcon 4.0 - and indeed that system was responsible for a lot of hassle during development, because it's not easy.
No, that thing is not ready for 2017 release it seems, even Chris himself wasn't sure during CitizenCon presentation. Yeah, it is actually very good question - how much game is it there? I assume there's lot of assets, mocaps, but how does it make complete game? SQ42 slides Citizencon - again, information provided by CIG itself, so they are not hiding - show 70% of gameplay stuff NOT completed. "Basic things"? What basic things? Pathfinding is a basic thing. It is not there yet. Flying is not ready yet.
As for whole gizzillions players in one instance thing I already said - someone with indepth knowledge smirks at such claims. Smart network code can do much, sure. Major issue is when you optimize thing, you sacrifice a lot of fidelity. Also server costs go up and up. And this is while chasing a pipe dream of "1000 players per instance", when having 50 - 60 perfectly working would be nice intro.
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I wanna see this show - after the watershed
I loved Robert's explanation of how the super-instancing was going to work - I reckon even a non-codey person could think it through and smell the litter needed changing
Out of interest, is anyone here familiar with Mechwarrior Online? Because as far as I can see, it runs on Cryengine 3 and has supported 12v12 for a few years. I don't recall Piranha testiculating wildly over netcode, but it not a game I've picked up so maybe I'm missing something.
The issue they don't have endless amount of money to keep delaying things, they need to start earn cash from other sources that JPEGs sales and soon if DS is right.
If they are still grey boxing things out in SQ42 then the thing doesn't stand a chance being release in 2017, games of this complexity usually need about half a year of debugging and polishing once all of the assets and technical foundations are complete.
I think 2018 Easter Holidays is likely the time they will release chapter 1 and even that may eventually be scaled down from what they are current envisioning.
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The bubble system work fairly well in PS2 because you can hide things behind buildings and the terrain.
Not sure you can really do that in a space environment.
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MWO is a bad choice for comparison. They dropped 12v12 previously and only reintroduced it after many many months after the networking simply couldn't cope with it. The lack of more than one or two endlessly repetitive 4v4 game modes killed the multiplayer side of it immeadiately. Matchmaking was a joke, and you were limited to 4 player sets, which even when 12v12 came back in, you were on the wrong side. Then they implemented paid matches (using in game currency). It was horrendous.
PGI were simply awful for many many years, farmed mech sales for money, broke several red lines of their own (3pv etc), and most active players left the game (myself and the clan I played with included) several years ago.
That'll be what I'm missing, then.
It's almost as if Cryengine 3 isn't the best choice for this sort of game...That'll be what I'm missing, then.
It is good for single player graphically impressive games, but not much beyond that. There were several attempts to make open games with CryEngine that fell hard, and multiplayer was incredibly limited with it.
Has anyone seen this tweet from Scott Manley https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/787342856469876736 ? Star citizen backers actually buying adspace to get referral credits for the game, I guess spamming gaming websites wasn't generating enough income lol.
I've seen those for the past year or so when googling SC. I didn't realize it was actual "players" doing that though. Wow.
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Give it another few months and the codes will be turning up in your email...
"Refactor your gaming life with this simple trick! You'll be amazed at the fidelity!"
[ugh]
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Generally I think the amount of drama they spread over the internet speaks of nothing but insecurity - these aren't the actions of investors confident in their returns for sure. If anything it does wonders for proving that those closest to the game are very much aware of what trouble it's in
Well, back when I was tweeting that this is what was going on, those guys were crying foul and saying that I was making stuff up.
http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/10/15/heres-why-we-didnt-see-star-citizens-campaign-at-citizencon
Just report it like we (and the person who alerted me to it) just did; and he'll be gone again.
The kicked out by Valve thing was a particularly good touch, I thought. They're not even trying (to make sense, or post anything based in reality) anymore.
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Not to mention that PGI is totally hooked on selling mech packs for $$$ to the detriment of game development. The whole "community warfare" fiasco is case-in-point. They promised a persistent universe in which players and their outfits could capture planets, earn rewards, etc etc. What they gave is a very shallow 12v12 or 4v4 mode. If your outfit manages to secure a planet nothing really changes for anyone. There's no point.
Also, in terms of netcode and combat, when two mechs make contact often they will warp right through each other. They also have had to speed cap mechs to about 200km/h as anything higher than that warps around and is unkillable.
Okay, I swear that MWO and PS2 are the two games I know the most about I won't try to act like an expert with anything else
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