Same old song about cheaters

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

It is trivial to set things so that your countdown timer can run its course and you receive no damage, so a timer reset would do absolutely nothing to someone determined to do this.

Not sure exactly what you're getting at.

>trader is in the process of counting down from 15
>pirate tags them with a C1 pulse laser constantly, resetting the timer back to 15s after each hit
>pirate uses hatchbreakers and collecters
>pirate collects his desired amount of cargo
>pirate stows C1 pulse laser and lets the trader log out for whatever reason he needed to

 

[Thepirateorc]

Or everyone who loves to get pirated joins your private group, because obviously your solution doesn't work. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

It not about being loved to be pirated its accepting the fact that you are getting pirated private group was brought in for people who mainly wanted to play with their clan/friends

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

You don't get it...

You don't.

If you click "open play", you're accepting whatever could happen to you when you play in that mode. Hint: it can include other players
If you would not like player interaction, then use the other two game modes that have been made available to you.

It's that simple!

 

[Asp Explorer]

Without getting into details - you would only be able to reset someone's timer if your client is able to tell their client you have just shot them and their timer should reset, and their client knows that your client has just shot them and so to reset their timer.

If either do not match up - it's not going to work.

 

[John Rhys]

You don't get it...

He doesn't want to get it. Let it be - some people can't be reasoned with. Although i'd like to know, what would happen if he gets interdicted and blown to bits, over and over without any warning.

 

[Comrade Error]

Yes, as said above, I'd support a PvE mode. In the meantime you could just create a private group against Combat Logging. BTW, the vast majority of the playerbase isn't interested in PvP.


As said above, I am not against a fix for combat logging and banning players into PvE.


Which isn't even remotely comparable to someone not wanting to play with you.

Yes.... So what?

Yes, if those players LOVE to get pirated.

Again, I have no problem with a fix for combat logging. I just wanted to tell you how ridiculous and unimportant this topic is.
BTW how about "if you pressed open you accepted that there might be players who don't want to play with you"?

Yes, I agree, PvE and PvP are equally unimportant.




It seems to be necessary to make you stop whining.

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Why? PvP is clearly in the minority in this game. Why should the majority play in the smaller mode (user cap)?

Yes, as said above, I'd support a PvE mode. In the meantime you could just create a private group against Combat Logging. BTW, the vast majority of the playerbase isn't interested in PvP.

Then if they aren't interested to the point of breaking the rules what are they doing in open? It's a mode that allows PvP, in fact so does groups. Maybe you bought the wrong PvP game?

As said above, I am not against a fix for combat logging and banning players into PvE.

What does this have to do with my response? If you pressed open you agreed to open, even if it means open PvP.

Which isn't even remotely comparable to someone not wanting to play with you.

It is when you factor in they concented to play with me, by pressing open.

Yes.... So what?

So it should be fixed and made playable. I don't care what you think PvP piracy/bounty hunting is, that is not my point. My point is that they were advertised as working parts of the game, which they are not.

Yes, if those players LOVE to get pirated.

They don't necessarily love it but they pressed open which AGAIN means open to anything within the rules of the game.

Again, I have no problem with a fix for combat logging. I just wanted to tell you how ridiculous and unimportant this topic is.
BTW how about "if you pressed open you accepted that there might be players who don't want to play with you"?

Again, what does this have to do with my point? Can you atleast completly ignore it instead of coming up with responses that make no sense?

It seems to be necessary to make you stop whining.

Look who's talking.

Why? PvP is clearly in the minority in this game. Why should the majority play in the smaller mode (user cap)?

They don't, PvErs can play in open aswell, they just concent to the possibility of PvP.

How many times do I have to repeat myself like a broken record before you unders:

1. Press open and thats what you get.
2. PvP piracy and bounty hunting are advertised as functioning parts of the game.
3. Combat logging is against the rules and makes parts of the game NOT function properly or as advertised.

 

[Truesilver]

David Braben's words in the recent reddit AMA were:

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"It is something we are looking at. The whole thing is a difficult subject; one thing is clear is it is against the rules, and customer services do look at it, and we do take action.

We continue to explore better ways of addressing combat logging, but I have nothing to announce here."

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That being so, I find it perplexing that a number of contributors to this forum continue to state openly that they combat log (not just 15 second menu log, all-out combat log).

It's difficult to draw any inference from that except that said contributors consider themselves most unlikely to be identified and banned.

In which respect they are obviously correct - because everyone with an interest in PvP knows of serial loggers who are still in game. These latter being - universally - players who attack the defenceless and then log to escape retribution (when they fall asleep at the stick and forget to high wake).

Ironically, their staunchest defenders are members of this forum who, for reasons I've never understood, think loggers are always innocents taking a desperate measure in an unfair situation.

It's been said many times - yet never seems to register, on this forum - that the worst loggers in this game are a tiny handful of sidey-slaughterers who between them probably have 10,000 player kills and who log ... and log ... and log.

...sigh...

 

[babelfisch]

You don't.

If you click "open play", you're accepting whatever could happen to you when you play in that mode. Hint: it can include other players
If you would not like player interaction, then use the other two game modes that have been made available to you.

It's that simple!

No, you don't get it
I've already written 3 pages ago that I am all for a fix for combat logging, but it also needs to work. So far I haven't seen a single good solution.

 

[Karunamon]

You don't.

If you click "open play", you're accepting whatever could happen to you when you play in that mode. Hint: it can include other players
If you would not like player interaction, then use the other two game modes that have been made available to you.

It's that simple!

I just have to come back to laugh at the griefer who is part of a griefer group that has explicitly invaded a non-PVP private group talking about fairness. [haha]

 

[Comrade Error]

New thread: Bounty Hunter tried to kill me so I logged

I am so sick and tired of these bounty hunters ruining my pirate life. I didn't consent to be HARASSED by bounty hunters. I do not want to play with bounty hunters I just want to pirate players. HOW DARE THEY ATTACK ME!?!!?11? [mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad]

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Indeed. My pc isn't their software.

Their software is on your PC.

 

[S.at]

Problem is, it's n'th on the list of things to address IMHO:-
1) Introduce better Crime and Punishment. Both the game better policing itself and higher/serious penalties for the illegal destruction of Pilots Federation members.
2) Give piracy better mechanics. It's nigh on a mess at the moment, after nearly 2yrs!?
3) If someone if soft logging out to Menu in a combat situation, show this timer to any/all CMDRs in the instance. At least pirates know another CMDR is/isn't soft logging out then!
4) Introduce legal PvP mechanics/tasks in the game. The game in trust does nothing to orchestrate/promote legal PvP. No wonder there's loads of CMDRs simply interdicting any/all other CMDRs in the hope of some PvP given the game offers no alternative!
5) Penalise combat logging. The game can keep track of repeated "exits" during combat situations, especially those involving other CMDRs, and give out warnings then take mroe serious action in required. eg: Increasingly long bans to SOLO?

I agree. The problem is complex and cannot be solved just by fixing CombatLog. Also need a safe zones in which a high level of security supported by the NPC police. Something similar happened in the old Elite games. So the main problem lies in the basis of game design, of course.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

He doesn't want to get it. Let it be - some people can't be reasoned with. Although i'd like to know, what would happen if he gets interdicted and blown to bits, over and over without any warning.

If you get interdicted constantly by ships/wings that outclass your own, then just highwake. Happens to everyone all the time in high-traffic systems.

Easy!

 

[babelfisch]

Maybe you bought the wrong PvP game/

I give up. You didn't understand a single word.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, you don't get it
I've already written 3 pages ago that I am all for a fix for combat logging, but it also needs to work. So far I haven't seen a single good solution.

I too have pre or post fixed my replies that Combat Log = bad M'kay, I am just wondering ...

And the reaction I get is as if I'm excusing combat logging.

All I want is to be understood [sad]

And talk to Rinzler or any one of my SDC buddies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1wdAoSulm8

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

No, you don't get it
I've already written 3 pages ago that I am all for a fix for combat logging, but it also needs to work. So far I haven't seen a single good solution.

Telling people to create a "no-cheating" private group doesn't count as a fix for combat logging, just FYI.

 

[Comrade Error]

I give up. You didn't understand a single word.

You sure I am not just being ... ridicolous?

Why would you buy a game that has PvP then press the mode that allows PvP then say ''I didn't want to do PvP''

I don't buy games with multiplayer PvP go into the multiplayer PvP mode and then say I didn't want to do PvP, rage quit then come back to find another lobby in said game.

 

[babelfisch]

Telling people to create a "no-cheating" private group doesn't count as a fix for combat logging, just FYI.

That's why I said in the meantime. It's really not hard to understand.

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You sure I am not just being ... ridicolous?

Why would you buy a game that has PvP then press the mode that allows PvP then say ''I didn't want to do PvP''

I don't buy games with multiplayer PvP go into the multiplayer PvP mode and then say I didn't want to do PvP, rage quit then come back to find another lobby in said game.

Where did I say that I am doing this?!

 

[DaveB]

Bottom line of the whole thread:

1: Combat logging via an "ungraceful exit" or any other means that doesn't leave your ship vulnerable through the 15 second timer is cheating. FD have said so. It is also lame and cowardly. Don't do it.
2: Escaping combat via the 15 sec timer isn't cheating. FD have said so. It is also lame and cowardly. Don't do it.
3: Being lame and cowardly in multiplayer combat annoys folks. They will despise you and may take action against you such as spreading the word (not in these forums) so you end up on a lot of KoS lists. They are perfectly within their rights to do so and you'll have it coming.
4: FD will do something about cheating if they catch you. There are cheats they can easily catch, unfortunately the cheating combat-log is not one of them.

 

[Comrade Error]

Where did I say that I am doing this?!

You didn't, you said that people going into open do not concent to PvP then ''leave because they don't want to play with me and muh PvPs'' and then come back a couple of minutes later and do it all over again.

BTW how about "if you pressed open you accepted that there might be players who don't want to play with you"?

Response to:

I am, I play in open and people who pressed open accepted there could be PvP.

Sure players might not want to play with me but that is entirely irelevant (if they pressed open) and does not justify cheating.

 

[babelfisch]

You didn't, you said that people going into open do not concent to PvP then ''leave because they don't want to play with me and muh PvPs'' and then come back a couple of minutes later and do it all over again.

Yes and how would you like to fix this so everyone can be happy?