1.2 vs 2.2 FDL: A comparison

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FDL has gotten a lot stronger since its original inception. Thoughts?
 
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It seems to be the much dreaded "way of least resistance" now, something that FD says they normally try to prevent.

I am not happy that gamers often just seem to ask for this one ultimate ship / character class / whatever, effectively limiting their choice to it. :(
 
Yep, its bonkers how the cost came down, PP went up and with engineering its a monster.

The poor Python never recovered from its nerf beating. I live in the deluded hope Frontier will give the Python back its pre-nerf shield strength.

Edit, yes an extra utility slot or two would be lovely!
 
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No joke, I was all in favour of the original Python nerf, but I given how critical U-slots are now, I seriously think it should be given another two.

Hell, give everything other than Corvette/Conda/Cutter/Courier/FDL another two U-slots and it probably would only make things more even...

i think that would be a bit OP, but giving them to the clipper and python would do fine.
 
Yep, its bonkers how the cost came down, PP went up and with engineering its a monster.

The poor Python never recovered from its nerf beating. I live in the deluded hope Frontier will give the Python back its pre-nerf shield strength.

It was only at it's 100 million cost for about 2/3 days. It was about 8 months later that it got buffed to it's current OTT position (engineers has only made the situation worse)
 
If the FDL keeps it's current Power it's price should be reset to the original 100 million or it should be nerfed to make the current price appropriate.
 
i don't even bother watching pvp on youtube when i see it's a FDL. Pretty much every PVPers is using one. Props for the one who use DBS or smaller ship
I would like to see a challenger to the FDL
 
I would return the FDL to the 100 million sale price for starters. And would give the Python a bit more of shield strength.
 
No joke, I was all in favour of the original Python nerf, but I given how critical U-slots are now, I seriously think it should be given another two.

Hell, give everything other than Corvette/Conda/Cutter/Courier/FDL another two U-slots and it probably would only make things more even...

This is something I've been thinking about for a while. I love my FAS, it's a joy to fly, but it is seriously gimped in 2.2 by numerous things. Not only does it have grossly weaker shields than an FDL, but since it has only 4 utility slots, it lacks the capacity to improve its shield compared to the FDL.

Couple the location of the utility slots with changes to missiles and module damage - all 4 utilities on the bottom making PDs useless to mount - the FAS went from being able to stand toe to toe with many things after its wimpy shields dropped, to instantly being extraordinarily vulnerable to module damage. This is a even concern for PVE because of how high-ranked NPCs love rails and missiles and are very accurate with them.

I really love flying my FAS for bounty hunting, but it has become a much more risky thing to do in an FAS compared to an FDL. I don't want to be pushed into the FDL, but all these changes are forcing my hand.
 
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i don't even bother watching pvp on youtube when i see it's a FDL. Pretty much every PVPers is using one. Props for the one who use DBS or smaller ship
I would like to see a challenger to the FDL

Until the FDL was buffed to the current OP proportions, the Vulture was the main toy not just for PvPs but for Combat focused pilots in general. Who's nowadays still talking about that ship?
 
Historically very typical, either buff 20 things at once, or nerf 20 things at once, never truly knowing what really was "enough".

The FDL really is a monster right now...

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Sold!

Buying one now ;)

Seriously, though, I still probably won't get one simply because I prefer flying the FAS. But I don't pvp so it doesn't matter so much.

That said, I don't know how fun a g5 DD FDL is to fly. Not tried it yet and don't have the heart to spend ages engineering it just to find out.

But then we do have a beta soon...
 
One of the best combat ships in the game.

FAS and Python have fallen behind: I would rather see them get a bit of a buff and leave the FDL alone.

The FDL has 6 utility slots vs 4 for FAS and Python, I would give these 2 ships 6 utility slots to bring them a bit more into competition with the FDL
 
FDev doesn't seem to want to look at this big elephant. It's been raised many times in many threads but never a comment by the Dev team so you have to assume it's intentional. It's simply baffling that they don't see this problem. So you have to assume they're not going to do anything about it. (Let's not forget it was the devs that threw in the super-sized power plant that no one asked for.)

Certainly impacts FDevs credibility when they talk of balance. They're not truly serious about fixing game balance if they don't change this one ship. Likely doesn't need much to get it inline (and I'd look at the utility slots first then the PP again). But it is clearly the number one major game element upsetting balance today. Gimbals and fixed weapons are simply distractions in comparison.
 
Until the FDL was buffed to the current OP proportions, the Vulture was the main toy not just for PvPs but for Combat focused pilots in general. Who's nowadays still talking about that ship?

There is more going on than that, before the FdL was buffed Sothis/Ceos didn't exist. The playerbase is richer faster, the vulture is a few minutes away from a starting commander, the FdL a few hours. Until 1.5 it was much longer to achieve those credit requirements.
 
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