General / Off-Topic UK News: Snoopers Chater Passing into Law

[Marra Morgan]

Wrong! Psychopathic tendencies in many cases are genetic. It's hereditary, just like as an example haemophilia. If you have this than you totally insensitive to others emotion, pain struggle, and so on... Now, if in surplus you got the wrong kind of personality, tendency to violence, no restrain at all?

What you got?

Someone who needs care, that's what.

Genetics are not the sole cause for psychopathy. Hereditary medical conditions do not make people "bad".
Let's leave terms like "good" and "evil" to religious texts, propaganda and children's stories.

And before you go declaring me "Wrong!", you should check out what haemophilia actually is.

 

[Minonian]

Someone who needs care, that's what.

If you by care meant we must make sure he can't hurt others? I agree.

Let's leave terms like "good" and "evil" to religious texts, propaganda and children's stories.

Let's not...
There are good and bad, wrong and right. Is simple as that.

Edit; Besides? What you just said, is one of the main wrong kind of mislosophical points whom creating a path toward to became a full fledged unrestrained psychopath, without regard anything including other peoples life. See? This is just one reason why we need concepts like good and bad right and wrong. To avoid this.
And please don't tell me something like sexually hurt a child not falls under the category of wrong or in other words? Evil.

And what you just said right now, also can be one of the main indication of a psychopathic nature. The complete lack of empathy understanding towards such concept, society, others situation. And if kind of thinking also coming with others, and the person done something? Than he by all right can placed under surveillance, or in a mental ward.

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So in short your answer is yes in all 3. that's makes you paranoid. the irrational but rationalized fear.

 

[Martian Successor]

So in short your answer is yes in all 3. that's makes you paranoid. the irrational but rationalized fear.

*gigglesnort*

Really? Thanks for making a total idiot of yourself by not actually reading a single word of what I wrote. And childishly altering the text you are quoting ... Oh, bravo sir, bravo.

You're clearly here to talk about a subject that,
a) obviously doesn't affect you
and
b) you know absolutely nothing about.

How very pathetic of you.

 

[Minonian]

*gigglesnort*

Really?.

Yes, really.

 

[Cydramech]

*gigglesnort*

Really? Thanks for making a total idiot of yourself by not actually reading a single word of what I wrote. And childishly altering the text you are quoting ... Oh, bravo sir, bravo.

You're clearly here to talk about a subject that,
a) obviously doesn't affect you
and
b) you know absolutely nothing about.

How very pathetic of you.

Yup.

It's not paranoia to believe men are evil, yet somehow to expect no different of a monopoly system than those it encompasses somehow is paranoia. (/sarcasm)

 

[Martian Successor]

*gigglesnort*

Really?

You're clearly here to talk about a subject that,
a) obviously doesn't affect you
and
b) you know absolutely nothing about.

Yes, really.

^ Fixed that for you. Your keyboard seems to have a problem with quoting posts

 

[FuzzySpider]

So in short your answer is yes in all 3. that's makes you paranoid. the irrational but rationalized fear.

Irrational fear is the driving force behind this legislation.

Terrorism is quite simply not an existential threat to our society or way of life, and it is barely a credible threat to our actual lives. It's not worth worrying about. Our response to it, however, has become a deadly threat.

I urge anyone truly interested to read this piece by a former copper and current security expert. There is absolutely no point in these laws.

 

[Minonian]

^ Fixed that for you. Your keyboard seems to have a problem with quoting posts

I have only one problem. Namely the irrational people like you playing smart... And pretending logics.
Now? that' a serious trouble, and the only thing is worst is a nuclear bomb.

Edit; I must admit i have a second problem. It's when someone like you thinks he is funny.

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Irrational fear is the driving force behind this legislation.

The other way around.

Terrorism is quite simply not an existential threat to our society or way of life

You keep saying this until someone blown up... Again...
Edit; After that, you shut up for a while because you know it's just looks way stupid to write down something like this. Until you think they are forgot about it, so you can start it again. Now do you mind if i ask something?

What makes you think we forgot about it? We just stopped talking about it because is old news. But for that we did not forgot about it.

 

[Martian Successor]

I have only one problem. Namely the irrational people like you playing smart... And pretending logics.
Now? that' a serious trouble, and the only thing is worst is a nuclear bomb.

And I have a serious problem with trolls and closed minded people who are so intolerant of others views they close their eyes, ears and nose to any and all facts, logic and common sense and just talk all the time. Oh and petty people who maliciously alter the contents of a quoted post on purpose to show how small they really are.

Welcome to all of those clubs chum

Would you finally care to tell us how this UK based legislation will be affecting your fine self who obviously lives and works in the UK and is by no means trolling for their own amusement?

 

[Minonian]

Welcome to all of those clubs chum

If you feel this way please feel free to put me in to your ignore list, and stop talk to me.

Would you finally care to tell us

No, im not. I just let you to keep asking until you have enough, and put me into your ignore list, as a threat made real, or simply desist bugging me.

 

[FuzzySpider]

You keep saying this until someone blown up... Again...

People die every single day. Some things are so rare and the chances of them happening so absolutely infinitismal that they aren't worth worrying about.

If you are really worried about terrorism may I suggest you also look into this?

http://www.hotairballoonaccidents.com/

Edit; After that, you shut up for a while because you know it's just looks way stupid to write down something like this. Until you think they are forgot about it, so you can start it again.

Either that, or I made some boiled spuds and corned beef with onions for me and my Missus, then we settled down to watch an episode of movie fights while she feeds the baby.

Now do you mind if i ask something?

What makes you think we forgot about it? We just stopped talking about it because is old news. But for that we did not forgot about it.

Forgot about what? Terrorism? I don't think you have forgotten about it because it's constantly on the news.

 

[Minonian]

People die every single day.

Right... We already got this covered so i will be brief, and after that i just stopping do give a squat to this stupidity. There is nothing natural about terrorism, and we can do against it, unlike i don't know? A shark attack, or natural disaster what's also rare.
And that's it.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Right... We already got this covered so i will be brief, and after that i just stopping do give a squat to this stupidity. There is nothing natural about terrorism, and we can do against it, unlike i don't know? A shark attack, or natural disaster what's also rare.
And that's it.

Are you trying to claim that car accidents are natural? And drug overdoses, and smoking-related cancer, and pollution-related cancer, and environmental diabetes, and electric shock?

Furthermore, are you saying that other, more natural fatalities, are not preventable? If someone is eaten by a crocodile are you saying that particular death was completely unavoidable, or that it shouldn't have been avoided.

As I said, if you want to crusade against preventable non-natural deaths head on over to here:

http://www.hotairballoonaccidents.com/

 

[Minonian]

Are you trying to claim that car accidents are natural? And drug overdoses, and smoking-related cancer, and pollution-related cancer, and environmental diabetes, and electric shock?

Furthermore, are you saying that other, more natural fatalities, are not preventable? If someone is eaten by a crocodile are you saying that particular death was completely unavoidable, or that it shouldn't have been avoided.

As I said, if you want to crusade against preventable non-natural deaths head on over to here:

http://www.hotairballoonaccidents.com/

Don't give words to my mouth! i did not said any of above, and by doing this you are intentionally trying to derail my reason, change my point. Well? Sorry! but with doing so you are not changing the meaning of my words you are simply changing the subject and answering to that.

You are not disproved anything what i said. You are disproved your own words.

 

[Talarin]

Irrational fear is the driving force behind this legislation.

Terrorism is quite simply not an existential threat to our society or way of life, and it is barely a credible threat to our actual lives. It's not worth worrying about. Our response to it, however, has become a deadly threat.

I urge anyone truly interested to read this piece by a former copper and current security expert. There is absolutely no point in these laws.

Except "terror" isn't the driving force behind the legislation. It's part of it, sure. But this is about investigating anything.

Missing people. Organised crime. Serious fraud. Anything which passes a bar set by the legislation and signed off by judicial review.

And, bear in mind, we know that the government and security services can already access some or all of this data.

 

[Minonian]

Except "terror" isn't the driving force behind the legislation. It's part of it, sure. But this is about investigating anything.

Missing people. Organised crime. Serious fraud. Anything which passes a bar set by the legislation and signed off by judicial review.

And, bear in mind, we know that the government and security services can already access some or all of this data.

And there is nothing irrational behind the will to have tools against terror and crime. What is irrational to say government can't have it because he going to abuse it.

 

[FuzzySpider]

And there is nothing irrational behind the will to have tools against terror and crime.

Yes, because an honest person has nothing to fear from the state. The "crimes" we're talking about range from terrorism, to fraud, to... soon to be watching someone get spanked on a naughty website. Your point would only make sense if we had a rational government, we instead have an unhinged puritan who has given some indications she believes she has a divine mandate to rule.

Also - if it wasn't for the absurdly over-hyped terrorist "threat" there is no way this legislation would ever get through.

What is irrational to say government can't have it because he going to abuse it.

How much history have you learned? When the entire population is put under surveillance like this then who are the ones with something to hide? The people, or the government?

 

[Minonian]

Also - if it wasn't for the absurdly over-hyped terrorist "threat" there is no way this legislation would ever get through.

Over hyped? I guess you are right... There is nothing fearful or excessive in to drive in the celebrating masses with a truck, or massacre an entire newspaper crew, go to killing spree in a threater filled with a metal band's fan's, blew up an entire airport filled with people, fly in two skycarper with jumbo jets, blow up metro stations, that's allright and normal, just the everyday routine how the world goes by... [sarcasm mode /off/]

Are you seriously think this is ok? Do you really think the government can't have anything to do with problems like this? Are you seriously think cyber criminals must let to run amok however they are pleases, because if we make laws what makes possible to get them, they are became stronger?

Are you out of your mind??? Please don answer! It's oblivious!

 

[FuzzySpider]

Over hyped? I guess you are right... There is nothing fearful or excessive in to drive in the celebrating masses with a truck, or massacre an entire newspaper crew, go to killing spree in a threater filled with a metal band's fan's, blew up an entire airport filled with people, fly in two skycarper with jumbo jets, blow up metro stations, that's allright and normal, just the everyday routine how the world goes by... [sarcasm mode /off/]

You may not agree with the point but by this post you're not even getting the point. Until you do there is no point in me attempting to spelunk that cavern any further.

Are you seriously think this is ok? Do you really think the government can't have anything to do with problems like this?

Yes. I think it's fine. I think terrorists should not only be completely ignored but given Nobel peace prizes and offered vouchers for camping shops as well as one complementary Starbucks cafe latte each second Saturday.

Are you seriously think cyber criminals must let to run amok however they are pleases, because if we make laws what makes possible to get them, they are became stronger?

It would be possible to eliminate crime entirely by simply putting cameras in everyones home, in everyones rooms. The technology now exists to electronically tag each and every individual at birth, and have their movements monitored 100% of the time.

Not only would crime be eliminated, but miscarriages of justice would also be largely eliminated. Not being near a crime when it happened would be a simple matter of checking.

Well? How do you feel about government cameras in your home?

Are you out of your mind??? Please don answer! It's oblivious!

Oblivious indeed...

 

[Minonian]

Oblivious indeed...

You said that.