Names like "Coward", "Carebear", "Filthy Trader", "Crap Tier" etc?
Both sorts should take that advice.
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Names like "Coward", "Carebear", "Filthy Trader", "Crap Tier" etc?
Both sorts should take that advice.
I agree with you, when I went to SAG A* it didn't really take any skill to do but I don't think we should rub it peoples faces that they don't know when in a turn is the best time to FAO a Conda or what pip config is best at what time. theirs a huge rift between the PvE and PvP crowd at the moment and I don't want this community to go the way American politics has (sorry for the IRL reference). the least we could do is not insult each other.
... but as i said i am out, sorry @ OP
see u in another thread cmdr.
Stick around Commander. Just don't take the bait.
Most of PVErs don't care about how good they really are or pretend to be.
Because they do not have any interest in the way they are playing the game. Like PVPers say that they have no interest to carry Cargo to influence the BGS. So there is no point in "measuring contest" statements.
What people don't like is being name-called just for the sake of an argument. Whether they are PVPers or PVErs, just to be clear.
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And there's the point: should you choose to. I really don't think most people have a problem with PvP being a factor in Open (or, frankly, they shouldn't), but there's a few players that insist that everyone should play in Open and should play PvP whether they want to or not.
Please, read the edit, then come back. If you want to dispute the interpretation, feel free, but if you do not want to do so, I have no choice but to believe my hypothesis stands.
Sorry, but if you don't see the decline in PvP users on this forum declining since launch, I don't know what to say but that you weren't paying enough attention.
I have been banned several times already, some of it was very fair judgment, but whenever it gets into the PvP/PvE issues, that fairness starts sliding off the scale, it's been getting better, I'll admit.
I happen to represent a whole group of PvP affiliated players for over a year now since like two months after launch, and I have close affiliation with other PvP groups and evidence are present even on this forum.
While I won't say I speak for the entire PvP community, and obviously no one can, I would say that the complaint about forum issues came from every direction and most heavily found from PvP users.
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You're ... you're "into" Dinosaurs ? [wacko]
I think there are far more insisting that you shouldn't be allowed to PvP in open
closing the suicidewinder exploit, stopping "murder" bounties from expiring after a week, and having more than a pathetic few thousand credit bounty for blowing up a clean player in high sec space, along with faction wide wanted levels and a separate Pilots Federation bounty system as well would be a start.
(roleplay) psychos probably should be allowed to exist - but they should go all in on the role play, and be on the fringes of space, not docking in hisec systems where they should be hated.... but as i said i am out, sorry @ OP
see u in another thread cmdr.
I know you left but I agree with a lot of what you said and I'd like to add a bounty level that when you go past it high secs wont let you dock and as you go higher mediums also wont let you dock the low sec after that.
I tried to join a group of PVPers in my Mining Combat Hauler once. They all laughed and said I couldn't play with them because I didn't have a proper PVP ship
Why are they so against PVP Mining Combat Haulers? I think it's the only ship that allows me to truly express myself - and I feel excluded!
Wow, that is mean .-.
Of course. But that's not the conversation taking place, nor is it what I was addressing. I was addressing the notion that people seem bothered by the fact that PvP-focused combat CMDRs are in most cases going to beat CMDRs who have been reared on nothing but NPCs in combat.
People seem extremely fragile and sensitive at that notion.
Again, I think NPC farming has inflated egos in the wrong way.
If so then...no, sorry, that's just the nature of Open. And I'm speaking as someone that's crap at combat.
These do exist, most definitely, unfortunately I feel like this is a case of people being getting enraged and seeing more then there really is, because when I look at it, those posts are not common.
Those that are most common are of the nature.
"Just got blown out of the sky by someone for no reason"
Not complaining or such about it more going "Why did this person do this? why did he need to take time out of his day to kill me and gain absolutely nothing, is he craving that much for attention, does he get that much joy from annoying others?"
People are annoyed, and frustrated by behaviour they cannot comprehend a reason for, and then you get posts in those defending his actions, his right to do that and the legality of it all by those that see such posts as an attack on PvP'ers in general. Basically people defending someone's right to be a jerk.
And sure, they can be jerks if they want. But most people generally do not enjoy being around jerks, and thus seek to avoid them? this seems to me very normal behaviour, where being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, is abnormal behaviour. And that is basically the problem with griefers, they are jerks because they enjoy being jerks.
You may want to reread your posts, I do my best to try to hold a neutral stance when talking about things with people, (and no i'm not perfect by any stretch), I try to understand the other side because it helps me understand the topic being discussed better, but your posts seem to be attacking said group a lot.
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No arguments there.
Extremists and the general population are two different things. Some people should stay off this forum and it doesn't matter if they're PvP or PvE.
But the fundraising was real, so it wasn't fake whatsoever. Good was done with reasonable sacrifice that were offered reimbursement.
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Maybe i don't understand English very good, but you responded directly to it, implying the term 'crap' to your response
In part I agree being able to feel all powerful and then suddenly get smacked down makes people react, on both sides, I've killed an enormous amount of griefers in other games then Elite, as said never really met them here so that makes it tricky and I see no reason to seek them out, why would I waste my time on them? They react exactly the same way, so yeah just saying it isn't exclusive to either group.
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How delusional can you be? It's a game. A video game. Space ships, lasers, aliens, and all that.
Step away from the keyboard for a few eh?
Perhaps I've been playing PvP games long enough to not have a problem accepting I'm at best average. A decade of PvP has made the hierarchy clear to me in every multiplayer game ever. Unreal Tournament, Gears of War, Dota 2, Team Fortress 2, League of Legends, CS:Go, so on and so on. NPCs can fill a gap to a degree, but are really nothing more than dumb cattle to be farmed. Figure out how to exploit their programming flaws and ez credits. Mostly because the community demanded SJA's smart NPCs to be nerfed because "NPCs now too hard; can't farm in 30 seconds anymore pls nerf." So we get half lobotomized NPCs that pick fights in underequipped ships, rarely try to run to save themselves, and die with great speed. Good for farming money; bad for learning what you're doing wrong and correcting those things.
I don't need anyone to tell me that killing NPC ships in 30 seconds or less (even before Engineers) is not an adequate representation of what combat against another actual commander in an equivalent ship using advanced tactics with an interest in keeping themselves alive is like. Half the time I get disappointed by the intelligence of NPCs, wondering why they even pick the fights they pick.
I wonder how people would react if they quietly brought back 2.1 SJA ships again but didn't tell the people. Elite, fully engineered NPCs, who will often attempt to withdraw rather than die. I bet the forum would be lit up like a Christmas tree. Now imagine those NPCs are a fraction of the intelligence and decision making of a real CMDR.
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