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When can we actually expect some real gameplay content?
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What cos you say so? Lol who are you? I did have a point which i made.
Ah, 'ignore' !
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The original Elite did something nobody had ever done before. It was ground breaking. ED isn't. It's an MMO lite where players can see each other in the game but their interaction within the game is limited to shooting each other or not. They can't trade. The communication tools are barebones and difficult to use. Grouping (winging up) is very much a hit and miss affair due to the networking implementation. If you do actually manage to form a group and not have it auto-disband, there's little for you to engage with as a group outside of shooting at stuff.
The real issue I have with ED is the number of missed opportunities that were missed by design in order to give us something that's neither one thing nor the other. It's an MMO with no group content, player trading, guilds etc... It has solo mode if you're a single player game type of person, but you're still at the mercy of the servers and everything is still instanced, as if you were playing an MMO. The game is a paradox. It has no idea what it wants to be and it suffers for it.
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This is absolutely true.
Add to this: The lead developers and their underlying philosophy are one of free to play grind. When the PS4 sales tank - when, not if, most console gamers like something to DO in their games - I foresee the game moving into the Free to Play model firmly. I just dont think it survives without a future of resource boosters and credit boosters in a cash shop. Not unless it adds some serious polish and coherence to the disparate, disconnected mechanics lurking herein.
Our interaction with the galaxy needs to matter. Crime and punishment. Reputations based on who we deal with and whose missions we fail. Whose stuff we steal. We need persistence and some level of consequence. Without that, we arent living in the Elite universe, we're just visiting it - and everyone who watched Westworld or played a bethesda game knows what type of burnout that fosters after a while.
Star Citizen is, in my opinion of course, an absolute mess. Yes, I own it. No I don't play it. It's in a terrible state at the moment and I'm not seeing much light at the end of that particular tunnel if I'm honest. I'm also hearing worrying things about the internal conflicts with Chris Roberts. The kind of conflicts I've heard all about before from his Freelancer days and so on. Not a good sign.
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Can't rep you again so virtual +1 but yeah, there's a long way to go yet. I think FD need to get a move on. The sudden upsurge in popularity of space games hasn't gone unnoticed, I guarantee it and I'm sure some big studio somewhere is probably hard at work on something similar to ED/SC, probably making a note of all the mistakes both games have made in their ongoing development. If FD aren't careful, they might find themselves supplanted by other, more focused offerings from elsewhere.
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Says you. No it shouldn't says I.
imho the more hardcore it becomes the more people either just won't buy it, or will leave frustrated like your friends, as it becomes ever harder to make any meaningful progress. Accessibility and fun is the way to go.
And it's a further nope from me on most of the rest of your proposals.
Sorry.
X4 is in the making. And it will be a true X4, nothing like that game I don't dare to mention, they made last. Probably at Request of Deep Silver, who knows.
But years later, it is actually decent.
Egosoft makes mistakes and often their games are buggy at release, but they always make great games and care about them. You can see that when 8 year old games get a Patch.
FD is going to have a hard time keeping a player base in the Future. More and more people start realizing that there isn't much to do in the game, besides that carrot that is a bigger ship and move on. I notice this in various forums outside of the Steam/Reddit Forums aka general Gaming Forums. Even those that pitched Elite towards me on Steam are barely playing anymore, if at all. Just the usual "dude, get this game" and then nobody wants to play
. But yeah, I don't see how they are going to reach their 10 year development plan with the current situation, unless they expect to continue selling the game to those, that never played it and don't pay attention to gaming platforms.The hardcore fans are overselling Elite to people, stating things like "there is massive amount of content", when in fact, there is barely any.
My own review on Steam was met with lots of downvotes when I mentioned the fact that no non-repeatable content exists, which is the truth.
Steam Forums are literally unusable, you receive the same kind of bad treatment and insults as you do here on this forum, if you critique the game, but then that is the case with most game forums nowadays.
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normally it is a mess, it's still in mid-development but it will be done.....game on such scale with detailed everything is developed for 7-10years minimum with no problem, thing is games these days come as early acces or with half content and players support it trought development and there problems start, players(backers) become inpatient and start whining! even delays are completley normal.
Elite took the different path and fully develop foundations and fully playable base game while missing 2/3content and develop it trought 10years roadmap, SC went directly on details so players will wait few more years for sure.
i don't see problem in there, just conseqences of early acces releases for players. FD took a bit better path, at least for players!
Gaming community is ever hungry crowd not forgiving anything and thats the price developers pay with early acces and unfinished games.
exactly. The title has nothing to do with arbitrary difficulty. Check what braben has gone on record about what the title means.
Fair enough. You're welcome to your opinion. You may be missing a lot of what's going on though. What we do DOES matter. I blow up a load of wanted NPCs and my rep with their faction goes down the toilet. I run missions for a faction and they like me. At the same time everything I do to their benefit boosts their BGS standing, what I do to harm them does the opposite. Just because I'm not the dragonborn or flash gordon or han solo or some other kind of chosen one in the universe doesn't mean I can't do stuff. I've fought in wars for factions I approved of. I've smuggled gear past the cops to support my "friends" and undermine my "enemies", I've hauled high-value cargo to where it was needed and evaded or outfought pirates along the way, I've looked on star systems nobody has visited before and made a handsome profit on selling their details. Along the way I've shot it out with other players, or dodged them or shown them a clean pair of heels when they found me, I've worked with others to make what we both wanted happen...
So don't you DARE tell me that what we do doesn't count. I've done it and I've seen it.
Now, maybe doing all this doesn't float your boat. Maybe you can't see that this is how this game is designed to be played. Maybe you want it to be different so that you can play it the same way you play all the others. Fair enough.
You may be a boss in those other games. In this one, if you can't get how to play it you're a scrub.
And why should players give the furry crack of a rats behind for those factions? Nothing changes, except the owner of a station changing. One of many. Too many to care.
The factions are faceless NPC corporations that have no meaning to the individual. If I can't get a module on X, I jump to Y and get it there.
Nothing of this is meaningful or has any sort of noticeable impact. On top of that, the lack of actual content.
Of course it has meaning to the individual. If you're allied with a faction that you're able to promote to control a star system then that becomes a much more profitable place for you to be. If you do PP and your power expands into profitable places it's better for you and for everyone else aligned to that power.
You're thinking like a figurehead, like a leader.. You need to get it through your head that in this game YOU ARE NOT THAT THING. And you won't be. Ever.
Start thinking like a little guy and make your way in the universe. You'll see what you can do.
Why should the guy with better flying skills than anyone else in the Galaxy (we Commanders) think like a little guy? Because we are not those little guys. And it still won't make me care about those factions. Because I have no connection to them whatsoever. They are there, cool beans, but I gain nothing if I help them, unless I engage in Powerplay, which has too many drawbacks.
I am especially not content with the "get punished when you defend yourself after being interdicted" nonsense. That is just bad design. Why should I do that when I can do anything the game has to offer without those drawbacks? Oh and you have seen all possible activities after about 5 hours of playing the game. That is a really bad gameplay to money ratio.
And even with Powerplay, it is still the same thing over and over and over. Still no real content. Only grind. It should be renamed to Elite : Grindfest instead of Dangerous.
Because the only dangerous thing in Elite is people giving FD more money to continue that nonsense. Further Season Passes will probably just lock more ways to pimp your ship behind a paywall while the game is rebalanced to those, finally locking people out for good with an unplayable game, because they got none of the Season Passes.
How do you get punished by defending yourself? if you defend yourself well, you don't punished .. defend badly, you do, no?
If there's nothing connecting you personally to the game, why make a song and dance about it, go play something else? The game is what it is, and if you can't bring yourself to invest in its contexts you're never going to connect. There are factions, some are nice liberal left leaning ones, others are hard core extreme right wing prison colonies .. find one of those and get those liberals out of there! (Or the other way around) It gives a context to 'the game universe'. If you must, disrupt a CG .. pure PvP .. no need to worry about the BGS. But unless you want to follow the CG's, from one to the next, finding that 'all you're doing' is disrupting CG's (all day long = grind) if you want to play the game at all you're probably going to have to engage with it at some level?
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The reason it's so insipidly boring is that we're not allowed to pilot our own ships. It's a children's flight model, with space speed limits, ridiculously slooow ones at that. This is why everything else in the game sucks - combat, travel, exploration etc. - all of it hinges around being free to fly our ships, how, where and when we please. Take that away and it's just wallpaper.
Not allowed to accelerate. Not allowed to yaw. Not even allowed to look out of a window, let alone pan around with proper decent external views. Not even an autopilot to take the inane drudgery out of the dire "supercruise" sessions. Just pottering around at slow taxiing speeds, pitching and rolling pathetically, oops careful gotta keep it in the "blue zone".. an utter travesty that such an amazing game has been reduced to the likes of ED. Why anyone would care about all the supposed political guff is beyond me, nothing to do with the Elite i know and love. Even the skydome - the one supposedly-realistic aspect of the game - looks like a child daubed it... background stars are too big and few and blurry, foreground stars all dim like they're all dying out, everything makes weird noises, the ships just make groaning sounds instead of responding to inputs, there's a countdown timer and lockup transition on everything, even transitions for the transitions (cough cough "orbital cruise" and "glide mode" etc.), it's a complete joke of a title, and no pretender to the FE2/FFE throne.
I blame the enablers here as much as DB...
Not allowed to accelerate. Not allowed to yaw. Not even allowed to look out of a window, let alone pan around with proper decent external views. Not even an autopilot to take the inane drudgery out of the dire "supercruise" sessions. Just pottering around at slow taxiing speeds, pitching and rolling pathetically, oops careful gotta keep it in the "blue zone".. an utter travesty that such an amazing game has been reduced to the likes of ED. Why anyone would care about all the supposed political guff is beyond me, nothing to do with the Elite i know and love. Even the skydome - the one supposedly-realistic aspect of the game - looks like a child daubed it... background stars are too big and few and blurry, foreground stars all dim like they're all dying out, everything makes weird noises, the ships just make groaning sounds instead of responding to inputs, there's a countdown timer and lockup transition on everything, even transitions for the transitions (cough cough "orbital cruise" and "glide mode" etc.), it's a complete joke of a title, and no pretender to the FE2/FFE throne.
I blame the enablers here as much as DB...
The whole alien storyline been running for over year now.
There plenty of things I want to see and change in game, I would love to see escort missions, proper multi stage missions, multiplayer missions. More mysteries that can be solve completely in game by single players not neccessary working as part of a team. The whole faction war mechanics need a massive overhaul so it actually make sense.
I want to see comets added, rogue planets, more aliens, more NPC ships like the Farragut's. NPC engineers, science, communications for your ship. I want to see caves, volcanoes, huge water sprouts that you can see from orbit, I want to NPC SRVs, I want different ground vehicles, I want engineered modules for ground vehicles. An that just the stuff I want that is in the remit for 2.0-2.4 upgrades.
Travel times have already been massively speeded up, 50ly jump in a ASP was unthinkable when the game was first release, I remember it took me days to find a route to sol in my little sidewinder when the game was first out.
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Some things that could help this game:
Increased radar ranges, sectors with more stuff in it than just a station, stricter mass lock functionality so it's not just a runaway-fest, more challenging AI including security, crime and punishment, CG style missions and more missions involving NPCs, not just assasinations and CZ grinds.
Increased radar ranges, sectors with more stuff in it than just a station, stricter mass lock functionality so it's not just a runaway-fest, more challenging AI including security, crime and punishment, CG style missions and more missions involving NPCs, not just assasinations and CZ grinds.
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The go to answer "git gud", there it is again. Sorry mate, but it ain't me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4589i5/npc_powerplay_interdictions/
I have the same right posting here as everyone else. So stop saying that. I am not going to leave, just because you don't like what I have to say.
I am playing something else btw, but I will still post here as long as I want and criticize this sorry excuse of a game.
Suggest you check your bindings chap .. you can yaw alright. And you don't have to keep it in blue zone either, hard gravity braking, works well.
Disagree with you on pretty much every level as I too played Elite/FE2 (they were different from each other, the state of the art doesn't stand still) and if you like, I'm an enabler. But if I was still 10, which I'm not (but which I was when first played Elite) think I'd find it pretty inspiring.
Also, people will suggest engaging with the BGS if you're not sure what to do. The devs don't though. The BGS went in, build one, and they basically haven't touched it since, moving on to other things. It is an interesting way to enagage with missions though because instead of, ' all I do this week is massacre missions, and that's it' .. the mindset is, 'I do whatever the faction needs, at the given time, mission wise, whatever they give me' .. it's varied and gets you doing missions you otherwise wouldn't.
And if you like listening to the football while you chill out .. be a miner, just like me.