AMD cards generally are cheaper than Nvidia cards with comparable performance.
A 290x can be picked up for £360 - link
£140 cheaper for around 5% less performance.
ED and the Oculus Rift Developers Kit 2 (DK2) Discussion Thread
AMD cards generally are cheaper than Nvidia cards with comparable performance.
A 290x can be picked up for £360 - link
£140 cheaper for around 5% less performance.
Hmmm..I got mine in less than 2 hrs after you. Will have to wait and see if I'm in that first batch!
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for ED assuming the AMD kinks are ironed out you may be right.... but for some other games NVidia does have physx up its sleeve, which is, in terms of eye candy, almost a game changer when supported.
(I am biased however, I have been in the green camp ever since getting my 7800 around 8 years ago - even then i was only unfaithful going with ATI for 1 gpu cycle)
Got my order throuth on 7th June but it still showed august and early june support told me august. Even if OC VR had underestimated the DK2' sells there might well be a PR exercise behind this 'offer restriction buzz' (Sony's style).
In the mean time I just got a new rig it shall be far sufficient for it I believe, especially after futher game optimization:
Processeur: Intel Core i7 4790K - 4.0 ~4.4 Ghz
Cooling: Corsair H100i + SP120
Mother: ASUS Maximus VI Impact
GC: ASUS GeForce GTX 780Ti 3GB
RAM Corsair Veng. Pro DDR3-2400 CL11 16Go (2x8Go)
SSD: Corsair Neutron GTX 240Go
DD: WD 1To 10000 RPM S-ATA III VelociRaptor
BRay: ASUS BC-12D2HT (Lecteur Blu-Ray)
Corsair Obsidian 250D + Lucarne
alim: Corsair AX760i 80+ Platinum
In the mean time I just got a new rig it shall be far sufficient for it I believe, especially after futher game optimization:
Processeur: Intel Core i7 4790K - 4.0 ~4.4 Ghz
Cooling: Corsair H100i + SP120
Mother: ASUS Maximus VI Impact
GC: ASUS GeForce GTX 780Ti 3GB
RAM Corsair Veng. Pro DDR3-2400 CL11 16Go (2x8Go)
SSD: Corsair Neutron GTX 240Go
DD: WD 1To 10000 RPM S-ATA III VelociRaptor
BRay: ASUS BC-12D2HT (Lecteur Blu-Ray)
Corsair Obsidian 250D + Lucarne
alim: Corsair AX760i 80+ Platinum
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Its essentially all going to come down to the graphics card I think, rather than the CPU. My high end i5 isn't even close to taxed by the game.
I actually think from my own tests that the 780ti will be what gets everyone over the line to run DK2 in high res with no slowdown. I think anything below that card you'll definitely be adjusting the sliders.
Has anyone here actually some experience with the DK1 on low frame rates? How bad are for example 35-45fps compared to steady 60fps?
On a screen they're already noticeable but no gamebraker but I don't mind upgrading my GTX 670 to a 7xx but I'm probably going to wait for the next series in September.
On a screen they're already noticeable but no gamebraker but I don't mind upgrading my GTX 670 to a 7xx but I'm probably going to wait for the next series in September.
The DK2 is different to DK1 and isn't really 100% comparable.
The DK2 has several new things that when combined help induce "presence" and reduce simulator sickness.
Presence is feeling like you are actually there in the VR world and is really important part of VR.
Here's Michael Abrash explaining the importance of Presence and what goes into it. LINK
To achieve this you need to hit a lowest framerate of 75 (i.e. the lowest your FPS goes to at any point is 75fps) to enable low persistence and enjoy the benefits of a high FPS/refresh rate.
If you are only hitting a constant 60fps you will get smearing which will contribute to simulator sickness.
The lower your framerate gets the more judder you will get and the more sick you will feel.
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That sound not really good, a GTX 780ti is not really a cheap card and definitely high end and I don't know if I have the Space for such a Card in my Case.
Vr is in its infancy, us early adopters will have to have high end rigs for optimal vr at first. 5 years from now chances are onboard graphics will do it but until then its true, vr will be an expensive hobby
I only play ED on Oculus DK1. I play for pretty long shots and I don't really get any "simulator sickness." I am a person who does get motion sickness, so this is significant. What I DO get is like eye fatigue, where I need to rest for a few, but it's not really discomfort.
I can't wait to see what they've done with the DK2, and I'm expecially excited about the larger eye lenses, in hopes that the viewing angle, or view width will be greater. It can feel a little like you're wearing a scuba mask, in that you can't see any real periphery. I'm hoping the future versions can open that up. It will make a huge diff.
I can't wait to see what they've done with the DK2, and I'm expecially excited about the larger eye lenses, in hopes that the viewing angle, or view width will be greater. It can feel a little like you're wearing a scuba mask, in that you can't see any real periphery. I'm hoping the future versions can open that up. It will make a huge diff.
For yourself then Presence will be more important than sim sickness reduction. When you try it and experience Presence you'll understand what I'm wittering on about.
It's a little bit wider horizontally and slightly more wider vertically. Not massively but you will see an small improvement on the DK2 over DK1. The lenses are generally of a better quality than DK1. The screen is actually smaller than the DK1 but you'll see a lot more of the screen on the DK2 than DK1.
35fps in VR is very noticable. I'd compare it to 20fps when on a monitor. It's still playable but it's not a very smooth experience. And you certainly won't be getting any sense of presence.
One thing that I have only seen the Oculus Rift (and Valve) guys mention occasionally, is that different people have different requirements to achieve presence. Some achieve it with lower framerates and resolutions than others.
What Oculus are aiming for, are framerates that achieve it for the majority of people. Hence Abrash talking about 90fps+ some time back.
If the geometry and lighting are correct, I will achieve presence very easily on the DK1.
For example, I achieve presence with these demos without any problems at all. Even if I don't move my head (frame rate isn't a factor).
Lighting, geometry and setting play a huge factor in immersion and achieving presence...and it will take time for developers to learn what works and what doesn't work.
Elite is perhaps one of the best VR experiences currently available, but - for me at least - it doesn't quite achieve presence without the extra FPS, so DK2 will help a lot with that.
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Have you tried changing the 'separation' slider in the graphics menu? I was getting eye fatigue at one point - the slider was all the way to the right. I moved it all the way to the left and have never had a problem since.
Immersion <> presence though.
Presence is tricking your subconscious brain into thinking you are there. Immersion is more about your conscious brain believing in the world you are in.
e.g. in the video I linked a few posts back Abrash talks of a ledge in a box and the box is textured with old webpages. Even though the scene isn't real and doesn't really have much in the way of lighting or setting it still makes him fear falling off the ledge due to presence.
For presence Abrash says all of the following are needed.
- Wide FOV
- Adequate resolution
- Low persistence
- High refresh rate
- All pixel display at once rather than rolling
- Correct optics
- Correct optical calibration
- Decent tracking
- low latency
p.s. I'm not saying you didn't experience presence in static sessions on the DK1, it is possible, just fleeting and you can't move your head. DK2 should makes steps towards having that feeling all the time.
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I ordered mine at just after 9am on the 19th, so I should be in the 1st few hundred...and I still haven't had an email from them or any direct contact regarding the delivery date.
As soon as I do I'll post something here.
First few hundred? Hmmm, this is just the people on this forum -
Even though I was pretty early I doubt I'm even in the first few hundred worldwide! Heard nothing yet.
*Cues smug No wife anymore so no permission needed grin.
*. (Didn't have to convince the kids...)Sorry couldn't resist that.
It's really going to be hit and miss for a lot of us on if we are in the 1st batch of 5k. without a tracker from OR direct no-one really knows how far down the line they are. Not had anything from OR yet, until I get the email I'm trying really hard to pretend I'm not bothered, I may be failing miserably at that though.