Really ? So I'm basically a billionaire now ?! that's pretty good
Thanks for your great work op !
EDIT : Question. Every discoveries I've made before 2.3 will be set to the new values, right ?
Nope, unfortunately
2.3 exploration payouts + visual guide
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Nope, unfortunately
You should add an example image of a stealth ammonia world to your ammonia world section. The huge ones in the outer solar systems that look almost like ice worlds.
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I tend to listen to the planets now ... much easier to tell what type they are.
Nope. [big grin]
This changes things...
A few months back to took a trip out to the Cat’s Paw Nebula to satisfy my 5000ly Palin introduction but learned the hard way that the destruction of my ship for a quick trip back deletes the scan data...
Now needing access to Shinrarta Dezhra for engineering purposes I decided my Elite rank of choice would be explorer, currently Pathfinder. I’ve made a second trip out to Cat’s Paw just this week to correct past mistakes. On doing some research the reality of what I was attempting to accomplish sank in, 150mil+ of data was going to be quite the task.
I had no idea these values changed with 2.3, I was following an old chart, many of the higher value scans on this are 10 times what I was working with. Although the feeling of achieving this accomplishment is somewhat diminished I’m happy to have chopped a thousand odd systems off this current endeavour. I’ve nothing but respect for those that accomplished this on the old values.
I’m sure this won’t be the last adventure, I think I’ve caught the explorer bug and with a few more engineering upgrades and the funds provided by this trip I’ll be back out there and going much further. Thanks for posting this.
Vas.
A few months back to took a trip out to the Cat’s Paw Nebula to satisfy my 5000ly Palin introduction but learned the hard way that the destruction of my ship for a quick trip back deletes the scan data...
Now needing access to Shinrarta Dezhra for engineering purposes I decided my Elite rank of choice would be explorer, currently Pathfinder. I’ve made a second trip out to Cat’s Paw just this week to correct past mistakes. On doing some research the reality of what I was attempting to accomplish sank in, 150mil+ of data was going to be quite the task.
I had no idea these values changed with 2.3, I was following an old chart, many of the higher value scans on this are 10 times what I was working with. Although the feeling of achieving this accomplishment is somewhat diminished I’m happy to have chopped a thousand odd systems off this current endeavour. I’ve nothing but respect for those that accomplished this on the old values.
I’m sure this won’t be the last adventure, I think I’ve caught the explorer bug and with a few more engineering upgrades and the funds provided by this trip I’ll be back out there and going much further. Thanks for posting this.
Vas.
Just got back from a quick trip out to the Zarara. And HOLEEEEE CRAPPPP the exploration payouts are SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD NOOOOWWWW it's my wet dream. I had one system that was 2.3 million LOL.
First Discovery now seems to give an extra 50% instead of double payout but still. When you see an extra 300k, extra 200k.. etc... damn nice!
Now if they'll just fix the fact you cannot scroll the right-hand panel or first-discovered-by bonus panel views on XBOX, then i'll be happy. BUT UNTIL THEN I'M MAD DAMNIT!
52 million off a 2-day jaunt though... not bad. Perhaps this will tide me over UNTIL THEY FIX THOSE SCROLLS!
First Discovery now seems to give an extra 50% instead of double payout but still. When you see an extra 300k, extra 200k.. etc... damn nice!
Now if they'll just fix the fact you cannot scroll the right-hand panel or first-discovered-by bonus panel views on XBOX, then i'll be happy. BUT UNTIL THEN I'M MAD DAMNIT!
52 million off a 2-day jaunt though... not bad. Perhaps this will tide me over UNTIL THEY FIX THOSE SCROLLS!
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It has always been this way that First Discovery gives extra 50%, hasn't it? It is the DSS that doubles the payout.
Hmm guess it was.
2.3 million from this system. Two water worlds terraformable, one earthlike world and a terraformable HMC.
And we still get NOTHING, AT ALL for the belt clusters...
Er, mineral resources, navigation hazard! Surely someone will offer some reward? Anyone?
Which of these asteroids was the one *Gottleib found the genocidal pathogen on?
Surely that should be worth a major fortune to Sirius Corp's bio-weapons division?
*Gottleib of the Lycaon generation vessel. The one that got the entire crew killed.
Edit: Can collecting this data not be a total waste of time and fuel for the OCD'ers...
How about, "Congratulations, this asteroid is the perfect size to make into a station!"
Perfect dimensions for a Coriolis docking bay, using materials we can mine out of it...
(From the pew pews) It's a game, they're all close to the star... Ignore, get over it!
[Giving us a navigation filter so we don't have to see them is a bit of a cop out guys]
No, no they are not actually. Go and scan belt cluster B, the one with objects more than 1000LS apart, and you still have to get within 5LS to scan them, without nodding off at the helm through sheer boredom and over shooting them at full speed...
Either that, or make them come up as already explored with an ADS honk since they are, insultingly worth nothing when you do that either and yet they still sit there taunting us to fly up and waste our time, yet again, to find nothing, and get nothing for them, EVER!
NOT funny FDev, at least provide some minor financial point to this pointless grind.
FYI: Searching the HORAE system now, is it worth checking all the systems on a direct path from SOL to the Lycaon's current location to find said deadly asteroid or did we not think to include that, yet? Could keep the fans busy and not complaining on the forums for a bit...
So now I'm back at base, lets see what Cartographics has to say...
ALINUS system: No asteroids, at all. Gottleib did get everyone killed, for nothing...
HORAE system: 17 asteroids in two really, REALLY far apart belt clusters...
VALUE: Nada! Zero, golden doughnuts, again! Why does anyone bother scanning these?
Er, mineral resources, navigation hazard! Surely someone will offer some reward? Anyone?
Which of these asteroids was the one *Gottleib found the genocidal pathogen on?
Surely that should be worth a major fortune to Sirius Corp's bio-weapons division?
*Gottleib of the Lycaon generation vessel. The one that got the entire crew killed.
Edit: Can collecting this data not be a total waste of time and fuel for the OCD'ers...
How about, "Congratulations, this asteroid is the perfect size to make into a station!"
Perfect dimensions for a Coriolis docking bay, using materials we can mine out of it...
(From the pew pews) It's a game, they're all close to the star... Ignore, get over it!
[Giving us a navigation filter so we don't have to see them is a bit of a cop out guys]
No, no they are not actually. Go and scan belt cluster B, the one with objects more than 1000LS apart, and you still have to get within 5LS to scan them, without nodding off at the helm through sheer boredom and over shooting them at full speed...
Either that, or make them come up as already explored with an ADS honk since they are, insultingly worth nothing when you do that either and yet they still sit there taunting us to fly up and waste our time, yet again, to find nothing, and get nothing for them, EVER!
NOT funny FDev, at least provide some minor financial point to this pointless grind.
FYI: Searching the HORAE system now, is it worth checking all the systems on a direct path from SOL to the Lycaon's current location to find said deadly asteroid or did we not think to include that, yet? Could keep the fans busy and not complaining on the forums for a bit...
So now I'm back at base, lets see what Cartographics has to say...
ALINUS system: No asteroids, at all. Gottleib did get everyone killed, for nothing...
HORAE system: 17 asteroids in two really, REALLY far apart belt clusters...
VALUE: Nada! Zero, golden doughnuts, again! Why does anyone bother scanning these?
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Nowadays the HUD holo icons are informative enough.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/346573-2-3-current-HUD-holo-icons-for-explorers
Nowadays the HUD holo icons are informative enough.
Now add a target on the surface so you can see which side to line up on for landing...
(Like the new relative station graphics showing you the door side on approach)
Following possible Lycaon routes to find Gottleib's virulent bioweapon...
LHS 2 - Only one star here
LHS 1047 - System where the listening post data was found (also 10 planets)
LHS 1070 - Only one star here
LFT 65 - White dwarf with 3 belt clusters very close to the primary star...
Scanned all 3, zero reimbursement from cartographics, despite trashing my ship going in for a closer look. Was able to get up close and personal in two of the clusters, break off a few fragments with the mining lasers and found no organic materials.
Cluster 2 was too close to the white dwarf. I gave up trying to get in at 150% temp.
LHS 134 Already explored, but there's a secondary star, with a belt cluster...
Update:
Traveled the ~330,000 LS out to the LHS 134 B belt cluster, nothing within 1000LS.
Briefly checked one of the belts for organic matter, nothing. Did not check remaining planets.
LHS 129 - Already searched. Briefly checked primary star belt clusters, found nothing.
CORE SYS SECTOR VO-R A4-0 - No asteroid belts
CORE SYS SECTOR VO-R A4-1 - No asteroid belts
CORE SYS SECTOR XJ-R A4-0 - No asteroid belts
CORE SYS SECTOR YJ-R A4-1 - No asteroid belts
LHS1197 - Stopped here to rest and resupply. System already explored but there are three belt clusters to be checked. One is close to the primary star, one is close to the secondary star around 80,000 LS away but the third belt could take some time. Expecting these to be far from the host, and very far apart...
They were, so I only dropped into a few for samples and went within 1000 LS of the rest to check for anomalies. Nothing.
LHS 1163 - Checked belts around both primary and secondary stars. Nothing.
LP 826-603 Looks like the last one on a direct path but I might check SHANGDI as well.
Ok, I checked SHANGDI first, because it looked like a better place to find a friendly dock.
This one's clean as well, with a second star 10,000 LS out that might have something...
Final edit: LP 826-603 didn't appear to contain any asteroids, none that came up on the scanners anyway. Went back out to the Lycaon to check it's heading and the closest aft system, LHS 17 is 26.3LY away. Guess it must have changed alignment in the last few centuries. I tried pushing the nose against the drive module and opening the throttle but the mass is too great to shift. Maybe a heavier barge than this Asp would help?
Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to encourage the bio-weapons folks to find new ways to wipe out their uncivilised brethren, scouring the black gave me time to reflect. Did our unnamed physician take that last walk out of the airlock to remove the pathogen from the ship I wonder, or are there still samples in the med lab?
Destroying this fragment of history might be the only way to make sure this killer stays contained, but they were venting bodies into space on the route. Is it possible one made it to the surface of an airless moon to be stumbled upon again, many decades in the future?
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I’ve had having trouble finding any other reports and evidence on an increase to the rank tiers, however there have been people voicing their disappointment they were not. After spending many hours on the weekend scanning I got lower results than expected.
Prior to 2.3 I had about 5.5mil exploration profit and was a couple of percent into Pathfinder. This lines up with the wiki values taking my small amount of SRV driving and mineral discoveries in account, I’ve no passenger data. My pursuit of exploration in 2.3 was coincidental, shortly after the patch I discovered I required an elite rank for the Shinrarta Dezhra permit, chose exploration and off I went, as previously mentioned.
Last weekend I increased my total exploration data profit to just under 27mil, this raised me to Pathfinder 96%. This weekend I handed in another 30mil, increasing my profits to 57mil and pushing me to Ranger 34%... well short of expectations.
Interpretation of the wiki also appears to be unclear. If I take the values as total required, 58mil would make you a Pioneer. If I interpret this as a progressive increase, 58mil to go from Ranger to Pioneer, then it’s about 83mil for Pioneer and I'd be much further in Ranger, hence this doesn’t match up under either interpretation.
I admit maths is not my strong suit but this seems to suggest that along with the increase to data values, ranking requirements certainly increased or I’m looking at this completely wrong.
Vas.
Prior to 2.3 I had about 5.5mil exploration profit and was a couple of percent into Pathfinder. This lines up with the wiki values taking my small amount of SRV driving and mineral discoveries in account, I’ve no passenger data. My pursuit of exploration in 2.3 was coincidental, shortly after the patch I discovered I required an elite rank for the Shinrarta Dezhra permit, chose exploration and off I went, as previously mentioned.
Last weekend I increased my total exploration data profit to just under 27mil, this raised me to Pathfinder 96%. This weekend I handed in another 30mil, increasing my profits to 57mil and pushing me to Ranger 34%... well short of expectations.
Interpretation of the wiki also appears to be unclear. If I take the values as total required, 58mil would make you a Pioneer. If I interpret this as a progressive increase, 58mil to go from Ranger to Pioneer, then it’s about 83mil for Pioneer and I'd be much further in Ranger, hence this doesn’t match up under either interpretation.
I admit maths is not my strong suit but this seems to suggest that along with the increase to data values, ranking requirements certainly increased or I’m looking at this completely wrong.
Vas.
Nowadays the HUD holo icons are informative enough.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/346573-2-3-current-HUD-holo-icons-for-explorers
Not sure that's true.
Take a look at the holo icons for the first 3 HMC types.
These icons are identical to the icons for the 3 adjacent Rocky types.
But the System Map sounds are different.
Not quite. During the beta, Frontier have changed things so that exploration scan payouts contribute only half of their credit value to rank progression. This was mentioned in the patch notes, but not in the release patch notes for some reason. Rank thresholds are still the same though, but if you do it with scans, you need to sell 300 million of scan data to progress 150 million credits. Of course, since payouts were increased roughly 8x if you scan rares, you still get to reach Elite much faster than before - hence the disappointment.
Or take a look at it this way:
- reaching Elite rank requires ~155 million exp - exploration points, heh.
- before 2.3, the ratio between payout credits and exp was 1:1. If you sold 10 Cr of data, you got 10 exp.
- after 2.3, the ratio between the two is 2:1. If you sell 10 Cr of data, you get 5 exp.
- hence, you need to sell ~310 million credits worth of data to reach ~155 million exp.
Note: I'm not sure exactly how much passenger missions contribute now, but it should be much less than 2:1.
Now, as for the speed. Suppose you only scanned untagged WWTCs and ELWs. In 2.2, each one would have netted 75k * 1.5 = 112,500 Cr on average. In 2.3, it would be 650k * 1.5 = 1 million Cr, rounded for simplicity's sake.
In this case, in 2.2 you would have needed to scan 155M / 112.5k = 1378 ELW/WWTCs. After the 2.3 change, it would be 310M / 1M = 310 ELW/WWTCs. As such, you can get from Aimless to Elite a bit over four times faster. (Actual figures would be higher if you account for getting credits from honked but unscanned bodies. It might not be much for a single system, but it does add up.)
In my opinion, it was great that they increased the payouts, but the rank thresholds should have been increased to match too. Frontier did it before, so odds are they could have done it again. And yet, they didn't state that they want to make reaching Elite in exploration this quicker.
Some evidence: 2.3 beta changelog and this thread after release.
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Looks great!
This isn't strictly true though. After 350 jumps this week I've found the red planets that are high metal content and not metal rich and some of the water world images that turn out to be high metal content worlds. It's possibly been patched
This isn't strictly true though. After 350 jumps this week I've found the red planets that are high metal content and not metal rich and some of the water world images that turn out to be high metal content worlds. It's possibly been patched
Oh, very nice! It should be of more use to MattG and his exploration value formulae thread.
Also, I see you have a decent haul of Earth-likes in there. Would you mind posting them (with screenies) in the ELW list thread? EDJP can help you with that.
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Nice job!
I hope MattG can find the formula to calculate the real value (or a good aproximation) and then the guys on EDDiscovery add it to their awesome tool.
Of course, rep for that.