Oh, they do. I know some of them. From the very first days of the group, and its precursor organization.
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THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)
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Oh, they do. I know some of them. From the very first days of the group, and its precursor organization.
To save our mother Earth from any alien attack
From vicious giant insects who have once again come back
We'll unleash all our forces
We won't cut them any slack
The E.D.F deploys!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
This, should be what this thread is about anyway right now. I still don't see why Salomé is that important to us. It's not been explained to me why she's so important, just that she knows some consipiracy about the Rift. Are we incapable of working out this "conspiracy" ourselves?
Nice, an Advert for a youtube bait game, Arma-3 Mod turned £30 experience.
About tonight's event:
I'm going to multi-crew it. I'm not risking my ship, or even a throwaway ship I could of bought for the event, for some gankers enjoyment whilst they pretend they're "fighting the good fight" or "trying to protect the VIPs". There is absolutely no way these people are doing it for a good cause. They're just using it as an excuse to attack anyone that isn't in their special treehouse club. There is clearly no "sides" in this fight, and no matter what Drew says or trys to write in his bok, the actual story will always be "Two big waving groups trying to wave the bigger and show off how many times they can kill anyone that isn't them" -- Seeing as these social rejects have nothing to lose as they have either exploited the game for maximum credits or have been playing for years now and only play to ruin other peoples day. This whole Salomé situation is just a waste of our time and anyone who actually wants to know the Salomé story will never know because it's a select few groups that are actually able to take part in this event. Whilst it was a nice idea at the start, it's clear to me and just about anyone asked that it's not worth showing up just to lose money. I'll multi-crew, purely to be a gunner for some poor soul who didn't see the obvious warnings not to go.
Not my video, just saying
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
Some people here who jumped at me when I was upset by the poor 'ending' of the FR Mystery should remember a very simple thing:
This 29th event was due to be a PvP event...since the very beginning.
So, why all this moaning ?
This 29th event was due to be a PvP event...since the very beginning.
So, why all this moaning ?
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Salomé is a ... shortcut to figuring out the conspiracy, nothing more. If she dies then what she knows dies with her. Hopefully she was prescient enough to leave a trail for those of us who survive to follow.
Or until the novel comes out. I am guessing most of it involves her journey to the Rift and all around creation and back.
Yeah. Drew already said there was a backup plan. That's one of the many reasons I'm so disappointed in how serious the PAC channel "Leadership" (yeah, you saw the quotation marks
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Masheikh Scytale
Banned
Well, there is The CoR of the novel, the scalp hunters of The Dark Wheel (as stated in the very CoR website) and there is The CoR players faction which I doubt are in close tights and relation with The Dark Wheel.
But I may be wrong and you Salomist cultists are already informed on WHO is behind all this mess in the Galaxy and keep the secret.
Just tell me ?
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Said it before on this, the announced run of 4 targets only makes sense if it's a smoke screen. There has to be another runner or it would be as simple as sharing a data packet with everybody in the starting system to get the truth out there.
No it wasn't. From the beginning it was left very vague just what kind of event it would be. Drew was very cagey at first about what kind of ship you should bring. We always knew there'd be the possibility of pvp since it was in open, but it wasn't until things started to solidify that it became clear that it was going to be a predominantly pvp event.
You can't really be upset that rifters feel let down since they've been the ones putting in countless man hours trying to solve the mystery only to discover that those of them that are chiefly explorers are going to be pretty much left out of the climax of the Rift mystery.
I don't think the 'moaning' is about it being a pvp event. It is that there now seems to be very little way of helping Salome without conforming to the private army's rules. You show up to help, oh you are armed and not on the list, pew pew. And that's the people protecting her, never mind the ones trying to kill her. So I would term it as people seeming the event looking more and more like it has been hijacked.
And as for you point about being an unsatisfying ending, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have no issues at all with pvp. I was neck deep in last night. But this whole story has been enthusiastically followed and contributed to be a lot of people who are feeling more and more excluded at the climax.
However I could also play devil's advocate here and say, this is giving people who has no interest in travelling tens of thousands of light-years and decoding puzzles a chance to get involved in a way they they enjoy. And again I absolutely no issue with that. Drew has said again and again he wants every one to be able to get involved, however beyond giving the main characters direction, he is not in control any more either.
'I was just following orders' does not make your actions justified. Everyone is 'role-playing' whether consciously or not and can choose how to respond to unreasonable 'orders'. From that perspective, even the PvPers are not running the show - they are organising some things but they cannot predict how people will behave on the night. There are only a small number of genuine PvPers, after all, and yet many hundreds of independent commanders may be showing up for the event, despite the fact that some people have been put off by their attitude. A PvP wing can bring down a single ship quickly but if those wings are heavily outnumbered by independent players, they will not be able to attack everyone, even if the players want to - they will have to prioritise threats.
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Remember, once Salomé reaches her goal or is killed, their 'time in charge' ends. After this, I do not imagine CoR or anyone else asking them to help out again until they have earned the trust and respect that they have lost over this.
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From both my character's and my own point of view, there are things that I will not do. I have volunteered to take on a role that, to be undertaken with optimal efficiency, demands I travel light - not even a grade 5 lightweight mount - so I shall be unarmed. Even if I were armed, I would not destroy a ship that I did not consider to be a threat to the protagonists. (Strictly speaking, it would in any case be more efficient to reduce their thrusters and/or FSD to 0%, requiring them to reboot/repair, whereas destroying them puts them back at their last dock quickly and potentially more able to attempt to intercept a second time).
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Tonight I expect the instances to be so busy that I will have to do some careful triage in whom I choose to interdict, as I may only have time for one attempt before the protagonists pass through. I need to make that interdiction count. I can tell from the loadout and to some extent from behaviour whether a ship is an (imminent) danger. I will be using my best judgement in whom I select for interdiction. Please accept my apologies in advance if I get it wrong. If you are friendly to Salomé and her allies you can choose to submit to the interdiction and we will both be on our way more quickly than if you fight it (I will be in an unarmed Imperial Courier). If you are hostile, then I've made the right call and the time out of supercruise will have allowed the protagonist to escape you on that occasion.
Pretty much this. I spent probably half of my ED play in the Rift or digging at clues. I want to figure it out, not read about it. Somewhere along the line Kahina went from a vehicle for advancing the story to being the story and while I find her a compelling character and Drew's done a magnificent job, she wasn't my motivation.
I'm optimistic that her big reveal (assuming she lives) will mark a transition back to "The Rift: The continued search".
Edit: Important clarification, to some extent the players made her the story. Today she's the focus because that's how Drew has chosen to reveal the clues. That's exactly the right thing and I fully approve. What I find uninteresting is the player narrative currently playing out in this thread and elsewhere.
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We'll find out, I guess!
However, it also makes me wonder... the oblique clues as of late... that seems to indicate that the novel anticipates folks finding the Zurara and wigging out, thus triggering a whole mess of events culminating with Salome's Run. But! I guess we need to wait and see.
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Good points. +1.
From an in character point of view, Saool would seriously be having to ask, at this point "have I become too focused on finding out what this big bad truth is? More importantly have these people I am trying to help become too focused on that goal at the expense of all else? As they attract people around them like flies, who will destroy and kill at the drop of a hat, why are they not speaking out? Has Salome once again decided to charge in brazenly without thinking about the consequences of her actions to innocent people around her? Is the information she has so important that we can cast people aside because they are not as important? And what of this Tsu? An Alliance Operative? Does she know her alliance history? Does she know it rose out of the outrage of peoples lives being ruined by the selfish power games of others?"
Again if I bother to show, I may just shadow Salome and Raan (who are both on my friends list so it's pretty easy), to see where they are going at a safe distance from there personal private army of killers, and maybe dive in near the end.
EDIT: oh, and I will consider anyone interdicting me to be hostile, regardless of if they are on the bad guys side or the other bad guys side. And I most definitely will have teeth.
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Let me try to clear up something for the final time.
CoR are entwined with Kahina's story, they have been long before the Rift story gained any momentum. They are the original Rifters who set up this series of threads. They set up the fleetcomm channel for Rifters, and invited fellow Rifters to come help roleplay the story, bring it alive in game, and make it more than a series of GalNet articles like some other mysteries seem to be. 99% of CoRs members today came from this thread or the 3 previous incarnations.
Until recently there has never been a divide between CoR and the Rifters - they're one in the same, expect one takes the story off the forums and tries to play it out in game via events and roleplayed narratives. This is something Drew has embraced from day one, and in recognition he has given those players a solitary role to play in his story's climax.
Now as for PAC - it has nothing to do with CoR as Saool pointed out. It was set up because dozens, then hundreds, and now close to 3,000 players took an interest in the biggest event this game has seen. They needed somewhere to discuss the event. Whatever PAC do, is down to PAC. CoR have a role, and half a dozen other groups Drew has invited have a role too. None of those groups are responsible for PAC.
And lastly, calling CoR a bunch of "control-freak PvPerz" is baffling. CoR do not, and have not, taken part in PvP throughout the entire story. One of the reasons people join CoR is precisely because its not interested in PvP. Hell they rarely PvE unless its part of a story related event. This End Game event is something they were invited to take part in - and they knew from day one it was completely alien to the ethos of CoR... CoR PvPing? Give me a break!. But not a single member shirked from it. Explorers and roleplayers to a man stepped up, learned to engineer their ships for combat, and began practicing a play style they had nothing to do with for the entirety they've been part of this story.
They're not stupid. They know 5 weeks of PvP practice won't last 10 minutes against 2-year PvP vets. CoR know they're likely to be wiped out in the first 10 minutes. They know this is likely to be the end of their part in the story (rejoice naysayers), but they're stepping up and taking it on because they were invited to - and its a bloody good ending to what I'm sure will be a fantastic story. Everyone in CoR recognizes that if Salome dies but one of the other protagonists makes it out and gets her message transmitted, it'll all have been worth it.
If you wanted to get involved - you didn't need to do it via PAC. One of you could have set up a Rifters server and banded together. Moaning about players who went and did their own thing when there was nothing stopping you doing likewise is pretty low. For those of you are taking part, fly safe, try and have fun. This event has evolved into the largest event in ED history - taking part is something you'll only get one shot at!
CoR are entwined with Kahina's story, they have been long before the Rift story gained any momentum. They are the original Rifters who set up this series of threads. They set up the fleetcomm channel for Rifters, and invited fellow Rifters to come help roleplay the story, bring it alive in game, and make it more than a series of GalNet articles like some other mysteries seem to be. 99% of CoRs members today came from this thread or the 3 previous incarnations.
Until recently there has never been a divide between CoR and the Rifters - they're one in the same, expect one takes the story off the forums and tries to play it out in game via events and roleplayed narratives. This is something Drew has embraced from day one, and in recognition he has given those players a solitary role to play in his story's climax.
Now as for PAC - it has nothing to do with CoR as Saool pointed out. It was set up because dozens, then hundreds, and now close to 3,000 players took an interest in the biggest event this game has seen. They needed somewhere to discuss the event. Whatever PAC do, is down to PAC. CoR have a role, and half a dozen other groups Drew has invited have a role too. None of those groups are responsible for PAC.
And lastly, calling CoR a bunch of "control-freak PvPerz" is baffling. CoR do not, and have not, taken part in PvP throughout the entire story. One of the reasons people join CoR is precisely because its not interested in PvP. Hell they rarely PvE unless its part of a story related event. This End Game event is something they were invited to take part in - and they knew from day one it was completely alien to the ethos of CoR... CoR PvPing? Give me a break!. But not a single member shirked from it. Explorers and roleplayers to a man stepped up, learned to engineer their ships for combat, and began practicing a play style they had nothing to do with for the entirety they've been part of this story.
They're not stupid. They know 5 weeks of PvP practice won't last 10 minutes against 2-year PvP vets. CoR know they're likely to be wiped out in the first 10 minutes. They know this is likely to be the end of their part in the story (rejoice naysayers), but they're stepping up and taking it on because they were invited to - and its a bloody good ending to what I'm sure will be a fantastic story. Everyone in CoR recognizes that if Salome dies but one of the other protagonists makes it out and gets her message transmitted, it'll all have been worth it.
If you wanted to get involved - you didn't need to do it via PAC. One of you could have set up a Rifters server and banded together. Moaning about players who went and did their own thing when there was nothing stopping you doing likewise is pretty low. For those of you are taking part, fly safe, try and have fun. This event has evolved into the largest event in ED history - taking part is something you'll only get one shot at!
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Now if only this had started 10s of thousands of LYs out rather than about an hour down the road or in a place a pvp fit couldn't get you with multiple routes in?
But it is at the end of a funnel where it's not difficult or long to get to in a pvp build with likely destination being one of the old worlds, so it becomes a pvp gankfest with most people now being KOS by those who are supposed to be the good guys.
Oh well, that's gamers for you.
So I will remain neutral, remain armed and likely be looking at a rebuy which will simply confirm my RP position of not trusting CoR or Salomè by association.
But I could be surprised so already out at 46E
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
If THIS is due and comes to be the 'climax of the Rift Mystery' ... well, Harry Potter vs Voldemort, pewpeewwwww !!!... I' sell my AspX, buy a FDL and enrol in SDC (lol)... and never play E: Dangertedious again.
Explorers had their part when Salam ..Salomé appeared at Beagle Point. Not a lot of badass FDL's there...
Now the pewpewKids will enjoy her company. She needs muscle, not brain.
It's a simple game feature.