....and given the nature of the game, how is it different from any other video game? What is Doom or Gears of War except a massive, largely on rails "shoot em up" as is almost every FPS. Yet few games give me the freedom to do what I want, largely at my own pace.
What the heck is wrong with all the whiners on here?
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....and given the nature of the game, how is it different from any other video game? What is Doom or Gears of War except a massive, largely on rails "shoot em up" as is almost every FPS. Yet few games give me the freedom to do what I want, largely at my own pace.
Perfection. . . what an absurd standard. I never said people did not enjoy th egame, or any other game. That does not in any way diminish the statement that we want perfection. If you are saying that you can not find pleasure in anything that is not perfect, you are setting yourself up for a disappointing life.
My bicycle isn't perfect; yet I have ridden over a thousand miles this month, and have enjoyed most of them. The game is not perfect, we would like it to be; but it isn't. That does not mean that we cannot enjoy it.
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To which I say that people can, and do, enjoy things that are less than perfection. Your so called "definition" is flawed if it claims that only perfection can be enjoyed. In addition to enjoying things that contain imperfection, we can enjoy the quest for perfection.
Elite could be the best computer game ever, it's soooo close... when it's not people get upset.
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Your complaint stated people were demanding perfection and whining about anything less. You set the standard here, I was just asking if you actually believed it, or were just being unconstructive and dismissive because you didn't feel the same way.
You more or less confirmed it was the latter, because you aren't willing to stand on your own words and are trying to suggest they are mine.
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Most games I enjoy by definition aren't the best. I don't get upset at them. I imagine most people are of a like mind there. Why do you think this game is such an exception?
Edit: Or do you believe that most actually only like the one "best" game, whatever that is and are mad at all others?
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I got my issues with the game certainly...Ive been playing other stuff the past 4 months and only really got back to actually playing this at the weekend and its still one night on, two nights off stage.
But I dont start threads to moan about them...usually its merely answering others who ask the question and them not liking the answer. Thing ye notice on many game forums is that having a different opinion equates moaning...which then becomes circular resulting in threads which are started specifically about moaning and moaning about others who moan all the time...
Its not a phenomenon that is unique to ED, I can assure ye ^
Games within games...war of the wits
I think the major difference is the over-reliance on completely random events that are used to managed core game mechanics and events. Not many other games do it, because its a pretty terrible idea.
Doom and in particular Gears of War are not open world games where the experience hinges on player freedom. They are heavily scripted, linear, story driven (more so GoW) pieces. There are also a slew of games out there that give you the freedom to do what you want, at your own pace. GTAIII/IV/V, FarCry3/4/Primal/5(soon), Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 1/2/3/NV/4, Just Cause 2/3, Witcher 3 and plenty of others that slip my mind right now. They don't let you fly a spaceship, but they do allow you complete freedom within the game world, just as ED does. In all of those games you are completely free to ignore any kind of narrative and to explore the world and interact with it as you see fit. They differ from ED in that you are given context and feedback and in some (not all) of those titles, your actions carry consequences that can shape the game world permanently (until you start anew of course).
Now I'm not saying that any of those titles are better or worse than ED, but they exist and they give you complete freedom to do as you will while at the same time providing a relatable context and, should you wish to engage with it, an engaging narrative to explore and enjoy. A narrative that, in some cases, is shaped by the players actions. Again, I'm not saying that this is better or worse, it's just different. Some people will prefer it, others will not, but it does a very good job of hiding the repetition that is at the core of all video game mechanics, to the point that it becomes unnoticeable.
I don't demand perfection.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't always attempt to reach it.
I dont think anyone would suggest that Fdev has been attempting to reach it in many of the core aspects that the game is built around. Hence the whining. So .... judging by the last few years, get used to more whining because it looks like completing/working on the core things players do every time they play the game is a long term goal meant for maybe the next major revision (so probably half a year from now).
Doesn't mean we shouldn't always attempt to reach it.
I dont think anyone would suggest that Fdev has been attempting to reach it in many of the core aspects that the game is built around. Hence the whining. So .... judging by the last few years, get used to more whining because it looks like completing/working on the core things players do every time they play the game is a long term goal meant for maybe the next major revision (so probably half a year from now).
Are you deliberately being obtuse? To get to Mic Turner, you would need to have far more than 3 Engineers unlocked. In 12 months I have managed to unlock over 6 more Engineers than you start with.....yet haven't had to grind even once to do it.
The upgrades themselves are a "would like", not a "must have", so definitely worth having & worth unlocking, but not worth grinding for.
Still doesn't change the fact that you do not need to grind in order to get a very nice array of high grade upgrades for multiple ships.
I said that people want perfection. I said that people gladly complain when they don't get it. I also said that people are generally realistic and can find pleasure in that which is imperfect.
To that you say:
Frankly, I do not see the inconsistency in my statements; but I do see that taint of excessive rudeness in yours.
I certainly would like to see perfection, I realize that I will not. At the same time, I will gladly present observations that will bring undertakings with which I am involved closer to perfection, even though I know that those undertakings will never reach that point.
I certainly do not see that as
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"Such an exception". Hilarious. Go on any other game forum & I will show you dozens of whiners just like you. E: D is definitely *not* an exception.
G5 upgrades basically require grinding. The material spawns are so rare that you'd not find any worthwhile amount through normal game play.
The balance I've found, is to steer in the direction of whichever engine I tried to unlock, but not focus entirely on it. In that way, my gameplay stays varied, but progress is constant.
You can say that progression is not the goal of the game, or you can say that people should be more patient, but you can't say both. If progression is not the goal of the game, then there is no need for progression to be slow. Asking the player to be patient only make sense if the game is progression based. If the goal of the game is not to progress, then there is no reason why the player shouldn't be able to fully customize his ship right from the start. The time required to get those upgrades should be completely irrelevant.
So if for you the goal of the game is not to upgrade your ship, then it doesn't make sense to want progression to be that slow.
And if your goal is to upgrade your ship, then you can't possibly think that grinding is a good thing. Progression should be slow, but not repetitive.
I totally hear you about people being overly pessimistic. It seems it's the world we live in.
Yeah, I am sort of doing that. Rather than just focusing on High grade emmisions I'll drop in on distress signals and such as well, and let moron Novis pilots interdict me. But still.... after the 30th time a High Grade Emmssions USS doesn't have the material I need, it gets a bit face palm worthy. lol
I don't have Mike Turner. So what he requires doesn't mean anything for my situation. So the question stands: why do you assume the only ones with issues are the 100% players? Why can't someone not like the mechanics because of not being mandatory while we're here?
Why do you want the mechanics to be mandatory? You are genuinely not even making sense anymore.
You weren't the one asked, and your answer fails to keep what I was reasponding to in mind. No one even hinted at the idea that other games don't have critics.
Reread that and try again.
This time actually read it.
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