Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

[Red 5]

Greetings CMDRs!

Awesome work, all of you. Had an interesting encounter at Site 7 earlier this afternoon. Went in to activate the "star map" to show my 6 year old (best co-pilot in the galaxy!) was visited by a Thargoid Scout Ship as soon as we went back outside. In all the videos I've seen of these active encounters at the motherships, the scout ships have always honked and scanned. In our case today, it flew down, aimed its top at me and just... "stared" I guess? No honk, no scan - just sat there. Then it flew off. I was in solo, and I hadn't attacked anything, and only scanned the central device to activate the map.

Not sure if anyone else had this happen, but as this was the first I'd ever heard or experienced of them just (what seemed to be) visually observing, I thought I'd post here, for whatever it's worth. I should note that I've been hyperdicted twice before over the last few weeks, both times with the usual Thargoid honk and scan.

Anyways, keep up the great work!

 

[Henkka77]

Greetings CMDRs!

Awesome work, all of you. Had an interesting encounter at Site 7 earlier this afternoon. Went in to activate the "star map" to show my 6 year old (best co-pilot in the galaxy!) was visited by a Thargoid Scout Ship as soon as we went back outside. In all the videos I've seen of these active encounters at the motherships, the scout ships have always honked and scanned. In our case today, it flew down, aimed its top at me and just... "stared" I guess? No honk, no scan - just sat there. Then it flew off. I was in solo, and I hadn't attacked anything, and only scanned the central device to activate the map.

Not sure if anyone else had this happen, but as this was the first I'd ever heard or experienced of them just (what seemed to be) visually observing, I thought I'd post here, for whatever it's worth. I should note that I've been hyperdicted twice before over the last few weeks, both times with the usual Thargoid honk and scan.

Anyways, keep up the great work!

Yes it has happened few times.
But nice to hear every time they do that, havent encountered that myself yet.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

And again Wreck: something, especially a vehicle or building, that has been badly damaged or destroyed.

But since a badly damagaed or destroyed building is usually called a "ruin" the odds are these are damaged vehicles, and they look like motherships.

Would a proper representative of Canonn care to propose a new CG.

Collect Meta-Alloys and deliver to the Megaship Gnosis which has been relocated to the Merope System.
Successful tier completion will enable the production and sale of larger Corrosion Resistant Cargo Holds.

CG submission requires 'official' quotes from Canonn reps so I can't just go ahead and submit it myself.

I heard Gnosis can't be moved until 2.4, by which time might be too late

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

We have proper representatives...

Not sure they'll move the Gnosis before a CG, but I like the idea of larger CrCr, though I'm not sure I'd want them to go above 4t to be honest.

4T and 8T would be useful. Then I could put one in my Cobra & Asps and have useful secure cargo space for general trading/exploration. Think FD set the tiers a bit high on that original CG. Be even harder now the Feds are damaging barnacles.

 

[TheHavoc]

I have an important observation to make.

So, when we first discovered that the UAs used morse code, the generalized thought was that it was a game decission. After all, if FD had used a trully alien code, we could have been years trying to decode just the UA.

However, do you remember what Braben said in last E3? That he wanted the aliens to be "trully alien"?

Well, this leads me to think that the morse code used by the aliens is not a game design decission, but an story driven choice

This has a direct implication: Somehow, the aliens had interacted with the humans before. Maybe in the war, maybe somehow else, but they got our morse code and used it in the devices we have found.

What does that mean? It means that we have not been uncovering the alien secrets, but rather we have been following the clues they left for us. And this actually seems to correlate with every time an alien ship appeared. Its like it is indicating us that we are in the right way, first with our presence in the Pleiades, and then "scanning" the commanders and the alien motherships.

So, it looks like the aliens are guiding us... somewhere.

But why leaving so complex clues? Isn't there an easier way?

A very interesting observation made by cmdr Maya Fey is that it doesn't actually make sense. It is such a subtle message that looks like it was meant for the humans to find it.

What if there are humans involved?

Maybe there are humans involved in all this, using the alien ships to try to communicate with us. Maybe the thargoids and the humans became, somehow, "cultural hybrids". Maybe... there are a reign of possibilities here.


But just have something very clear in mind: Most likely we are not unfolding the alien secrets. Most likely, we are just following the clues they left us for some reason.

Whatever is at the end of the rabbit hole... is still a mistery. But be prepared, for those aliens have known about us for way longer than we do realize.

Very interesting indeed and I would like to take your thoughts up and go a step further: wo do know that the ancients did genetic engineering, but also mankind does. What is if the Thargoids are a human creation ? Would make sense that Imps and Feds do everything at trying to hide something extremely bad > Formidine Rift story ? Does everything in ED storyline link together here ? Think the unthinkable !

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I think this theory is brilliant, based on evidence, and should definitely be considered.

It would mean we are not searching for their home world in the first place. Possibly, there is no home world anymore at all. If I understand Nutter right, these motherships are remnants from the first Thargoid war where humanity didn't face their main force. That one was hit by the Mycoid virus and spiralled into the ground where it stayed until now. The scavengers are currently repairing the wrecked motherships with Meta-Alloys until they're ready to rise again. That would explain the barnacle "refuels", for example. It furthermore would explain the "green goo" corrosion visible on the hull and the Scavenger's behavior, in fact, their very presence at the sites at all. Meanwhile, Thargons bringing MAs from the barnacles to the crash sites for repair and so on. It would also explain why the wrecks seem to be so old and why all of them seem to have crashed at roughly the same time.

Leaves the question how they plan to lift up again, as I see it, they're buried flat on their face. Luckily, the main force was stopped in the Pleiades, so the bubble is safe. For now

Yo, O7,
[noob]

Looking at Cmdr Nutter's summary video, is that a Thargoid skeleton in the ship's lights at 1:06 to 1:08, just as he says "disappeared"? The mycoid was reported to attack the Thargs themselves as well as their technology.

 

[Moekul]

Can't claim I'll keep up with the furious pace, but I've been playing around plotting out all the goings-on in the Pleiades, and thought it worth sharing with the addition of US's:
https://plot.ly/~moekul/0/thargoid-presence-in-the-pleiades/ (it's interactive, so zoom, filter, and mouseover to your heart's content [yesnod])

Keep the sites coming! Also, it would be great if the links could be added to the spreadsheet, as described by PanPiper (below) and subsequent discussion.

Spoiler

Unsure if this data is out there , been busy matching the sites to messages.

Each machine ( active site ) generates 3 messages from that system. Each of those is linked to another site. Not located any matches for sites yet for the broken inactive sites with no machine.

...
US 8
msg 1 goes to site 5
msg 2 goes to site 6
msg 3 goes to site 7
...

This is what I picked up from the discussion and plotted so far (not seeing any pattern, but not many lines yet):

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From/To

US001

US002

US003

US004

US005

US006

US007

US008

US009

US010

US011

US012

US013

US014

US015

US001

US002

US003

US004

US005

US006

3

US007

2

1

3

US008

1

2

3

US009

1

3

US010

1

2

3

US011

US012

1

3

2

US013

US014

US015

 

[Henkka77]

Has all the alien base systems had an ammonia planet?

 

[Painbeaver]

Here is my Thargoid Encounter [yesnod]
No external camera, so not the best view, but it's more atmospheric i think.

[video=youtube;Vi74v1Ao7tk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi74v1Ao7tk[/video]

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

TBH, I would say its a plausible hypothesis. There are many possible explanation to what we know and observe, and this is just one of them.
EVEN if it came to be true, still doesn't explain the biggest mistery of all: Why do the Thargoids use morse code?

Before anyone says "dude, this is a game", remember that David Braben wanted to make the aliens "truly aliens". If he keeps his word, there must be an explanation on why they use this human language.

Could be they wanted to contact humans to say it was all a mistake and why not be friends so they learnt Federation Blink Code (Morse), but INRA attacked them with the mycoid despite that peace overture & that's why Thargs have got it in for Federation. Just a speculative hypothesis!

 

[CMDR Ofan]

Here is my Thargoid Encounter [yesnod]
No external camera, so not the best view, but it's more atmospheric i think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi74v1Ao7tk

Every time I experience this I'm struck by how good the sound design is.

 

[TheHavoc]

Could be they wanted to contact humans to say it was all a mistake and why not be friends so they learnt Federation Blink Code (Morse), but INRA attacked them with the mycoid despite that peace overture & that's why Thargs have got it in for Federation. Just a speculative hypothesis!

Also a good hypothesis and not ironical !

 

[Baton]

Here is my Thargoid Encounter [yesnod]
No external camera, so not the best view, but it's more atmospheric i think.

Yes it is, I had one yesterday and it looked like this:

(BTW, sorry for the shutter sound, did not expect it and it was not disabled)

[video=youtube;c_8iWq02mTE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_8iWq02mTE[/video]

 

[LordZoltan]

Moar sites! Well done everyone! I've been repping anyone I can while catching up

Hmmm... they're wrecks - but perhaps they are being rebuilt... The ones which are more complete are in a more advanced state of repair rather than a less advanced state of decrepitude.

Or, controversially (and in direct contradiction to how I felt yesterday) they are being built/grown in-place and what we have here is a proto stage of the final object?

Looking at the recent post giving all the distances to Sol - showing they're around 450LY-510LY away, you wonder if they're not perfectly placed...


Anyway, here's to another day of Science!

 

[Maro-Val]

And here is our Thargoid encounter. I was inside the main chamber and my wingmate went outside to his ship when the thargoid arrived and scanned him!

SKIP TO 1.35

[video=youtube_share;c6pcazYWzac]https://youtu.be/c6pcazYWzac?t=94[/video]

 

[CMDR Ofan]

Moar sites! Well done everyone! I've been repping anyone I can while catching up

Hmmm... they're wrecks - but perhaps they are being rebuilt... The ones which are more complete are in a more advanced state of repair rather than a less advanced state of decrepitude.

Or, controversially (and in direct contradiction to how I felt yesterday) they are being built/grown in-place and what we have here is a proto stage of the final object?

Looking at the recent post giving all the distances to Sol - showing they're around 450LY-510LY away, you wonder if they're not perfectly placed...


Anyway, here's to another day of Science!

It's so difficult to tell. We need to find a finished article now I think. The bases in real disrepair look broken and half embedded in the ground rather than growing out of it but the newer live ones look different.

You are right about the distances and positioning, it looks like either a path of incursion or retreat.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Does anyone have a map showing their distribution? I'm at work or I'd try it myself, sorry.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

MEL 22 SECTOR ZU-P C5-1 4A **

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I heard of it while eavesdropping on some gankers at hip 14909 today, (what they talk about when alone is another story).

I thought it was a troll, being so close to hip 14909.

It is in a better state of repair than any other site I have seen.

I did my reconnaissance in VR. You would be startled at how different the sites look in 3D.

Its quite clearly a massive ship in the region of 10km in diameter.

Quite terrifying.

Mothership, which historically deployed Thargon drones (flowerships in all probability); suspect the iris structure on the "top" of the ship is the hangar mechanism for the drones

Hey all. I don't know if maybe I missed something in this massive thread, but I decided to go to Merope and play the unknown signals to the UL. I parked in view of the star and jettisoned the UL. Playing the first recording yielded no result. I played the second, and it seemed like nothing was going to happen, once again. After a couple of moments though, the UL simply...exploded. "Target Destroyed". I was not moving and no one else was in the area. Luckily, I was recording. I will be posting shortly.

Edit: I was not actually recording. :/ I'm gonna go grab another UL and try to replicate the results. If I can't, it was a fluke, I suppose.

Try it near Merope 5 C? That seems to be the key planet.

 

[Henkka77]

Does anyone have a map showing their distribution? I'm at work or I'd try it myself, sorry.

 

[l0ngst4r]

What a thread, what a read!

Could there be a connection to the first Elite game Thargoid-wise? If these are indeed wrecks, and the Thargoids are just now returning to repair them, these wrecks could originate from the previous war.. I haven't played much the original Elite, so don't know, if the galactic map could be translated at all to the current one and even if, were there shot down motherships in the original Elite or not.. Any time I watch their scout shut down all the electric systems in our tech I wonder how to fight such a ship.. Steam engine and hydraulics? And cannonballs with chemical propellant..

Anyway, the spectogram could be showing a common origin for our species (Thargoid and us), and the two motherships arriving to the Thargoid home system (on the left) and Sol (on the right), then a way to reunite us again. Or not.