Joystick / HOTAS recommendation

Yeah I also originally went from a twist stick (Logitech E3D pro, then T16000m) to non twist (CH Fighterstick). It took a little adjusting but now I find twist just interferes with fine control of pitch and roll. ...

This is so true - especially when you have an accurate stick, and zero dead zones (as I did with the T16000M and Cobra M5).

My wrists are also thanking me, to be honest...



I don't blame people for saying to avoid the X52 pro (it's what I use by the way), the (build) quality is poor compared to others at the same pricepoint, however... As long as it is working, it is a really great joystick. Mine is going on 4 years now, I use the hats for navigating menus in elite and I have no noticeable wear yet. It seems you can get lucky, BUT, I will admit I am one of those people who is very light on his equipment, almost every second hand item I move on is sold in 'like new' condition, even mobile phones, what can I say? I look after my stuff. The Saitek would fall apart in a few weeks in the hands of some gamers I've met over the years, fortunately, they aren't the type to play sim games anyway, but if you are one of those who is respectful of technology, it will last you enough years to justify the price, I believe. The throttle is good and has an adjustable clutch, which is very useful, but not perfect, twist for yaw is very accurate, two hats on stick, one on throttle is ideal. I wish I had more buttons on the throttle but that is solved by a gameboard or even a usb numpad. In the unlikely event that it should give up the ghost any time soon, I'll be getting a T.16000, though I wish it looked less like an Action Man toy.

The X-52 (and the rest) actually look to be truly awesome sticks, lost of well placed buttons etc - if only the build quality was up to par.

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This is so true - especially when you have an accurate stick, and zero dead zones (as I did with the T16000M and Cobra M5).

My wrists are also thanking me, to be honest...





The X-52 (and the rest) actually look to be truly awesome sticks, lost of well placed buttons etc - if only the build quality was up to par.

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My X52 has been going strong for nearly 2yrs now.
 
Everyone that comes into my man-cave looks at the joysticks (X52 pro) and goes "Woah!", I've had guesses at value between 300 and 1000 euros. :D

It certainly does look the part.

They really are awesome sticks in every way except plastics and a bit of a lightweight base.
 
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If you're not expecting heavy maneuvering (bounty hunting, pvp) Logitech 3D Pro is great for everyday flying. I have it combined with Logitech G13 gaming keyboard and haven't felt the need of switching to HOTAS. One day I was >< this close to buying Warthog. But that price... Searching for a bit cheaper solution I found Logitech X-56 (former Saitek) set. Looked really promising. Stick and throttle, twist, loads of buttons, highly configurable. Perfect in any way. Except expected durability. Lots of reviews say it's just rebranded Saitek X-56 and we all know that Saitek had massive quality issues lately.

So I postponed my purchase and am waiting for old batch being replaced by pure Logitech made X-56's. Until then I'll stick with my current 3D Pro + G13.
 
I've had a CH HOTAS setup with the Fighterstick since launch, like Hammer with no issues. If you can live with pedals or without twist and are looking for something to leave in a will as a functional item then CH stuff is it. Even if you need a different stick setup, pairing it with the CH Throttle will give you access to practically all the same number of buttons as the Fighterstick itself and the super handy ergonomics along with the analog thumbstick, which makes for excellent thruster control.

Second part exactly what I did. The throttle is excellent. Lovely amount of buttons and the CH pro manager allows you to configure it for multiple keystrokes etc.
 
Had a Saitek x52.. But it broke, bad internal wire design.

That was my excuse for my Warthog hotas and added Pedals

no regrets.
 
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Does anyone know of a throttle unit with a playstation style analog stick on the thumb? That would be ideal for thrusters, 256 (for example) directions instead of 8, and analogue control over the amount of thrust...
 
My X52 has been going strong for nearly 2yrs now.

My X52-Pro went on for 13 Years !!! Even after it died I bet I could have fixed it,but had X55 sat in the corner gathering dust.

Just to clarify, many say SAITEK rubbish,and many so NO it's good !Both are correct !
If you have a pre-Madcatz X52 then you'll be OK. Since company sale, X52 quality went downhill.
Even X55 has issues with quality/ghosting (I use powered USB hub and all good), don't know about X56.
 
Avoid Saitek like the plague. Logitech or no, the saitek acquisitions will take time to rectify.

I am using the Thrustmaster FCS. Pretty good, the centering on my unit is a bit inconsistent, but that can be fixed simply by unplugging it and plugging it back in. Great stick and throttle, even better price. Probably the most agile stick on the market. Would pick it over a Warthog for the price and the features.
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Unfortunately this is very true. I got me a X-55 when i started out in this game. It was fairly accurate, minimal deadzone, reliable buttons, for a little over a year. Then suddenly two buttons on my throttle became unreliable, they only still worked when my throttle was moved forward. Whenever i reduced speed, they did not work any more. That's a typical picture of a broken cable, where the connection doesn't work any more when it's bent. Since two buttons (next to each other) failed, i guess the power cable to them broke.
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As the device was only 14 months or so old, i returned it and was told that it's not in production and not available any more. But i got offered to get a X-56 instead, which i took. Here the first one lasted for about six months, then the pinkie button on the joystick stopped working. So i contacted Amazon support one again and they told me to send it back, while they sent me a replacement. Luckily the replacement arrived before i managed to get to the post office and send the old device back. When testing the replacement (now already with the Logitech logo on it, not the old MadCatz label) i found that one of the two-way switches on the throttle permanently signaled to be pushed forward. It was funny to see in the configuration tool, when i moved the switch back. After all it then reported to be pushed forward and back at the same time, which made the display in the configuration tool go crazy. But since driving the configuration tool crazy was still not my main purpose of the device, i contacted Amazon support again. They allowed me to send back the old broken joystick and the new and broken out of the box throttle, while keeping the two functional pieces. So thanks to Amazon support (and in no way thanks to Saitek/MadCatz/Logitech) i currently again have a functional combination of joystick and throttle.
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As a sidenote, the new joystick, with Logitech logo on the label is less accurate than the old joystick, and the Y-axis (stick twist) is a bit off center. To fix this, i had to noticeably increase the deadzone in the game and adjust the bands for the Y-axis in the joysticks configuration tool to get full deflection in both directions. (Without the band adjustment, my ship could turn full speed to the right, but would only slowly turn to the left. )
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So according to my experience, the quality issues of the X-55 / X-56 are not rare cases. They are the rule, not the exception, and i expect this one to break again within some months. I just hope that Amazon support is helpful again, else it'll be soldering iron time. (Luckily when i studied computer science they still taught us how to solder... man, i feel old now. ) If i get a replacement, there's the faint hope that Logitech (who bought Saitek/MadCatz and produces the X-56 since a few months) decided to fix the issues and finally deliver quality, but my optimism is "limited".
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The sad thing is about it is that in terms of layout and design i consider the X-56 the best there is. A friend has the Warthog, and while it's also not bad, i find the Placement of buttons and Switches on the X-56 to be superior. (With the one exception of the hats on the joystick, where i'd wish they switch the flat upper hat with the more raised lower hat. Switching their position would make the upper one easier reachable, it's the very one control where i have to shift my hands position to reach it reliably. )
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So really, the design is awesome and wouldn't there be the quality issues, the X-56 would be second to none. But up to now there'd be no statement that Logitech would've done big reworks to fix the quality issues (or at least i wouldn't be aware of any), so i unfortunately can't recomment this HOTAS.
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Nnnnnng. I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it I don't need it ...!

Actually, you probably do. Those babies changed my life As for the price, it hurts, granted, but you'll never need to buy them again : german große Qualität and all ... :)
 
Stick with Thrustmaster or consider a CH Products setup. I've put 1800 or so hours on my CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals and all 3 have been plugged in 100% of the time for the last 2.5 years.

No issues whatsoever and a fantastic button layout.

Accept no less. Leave the Saitek junk alone. It has a bad build quality and longevity rep for a reason.

I totally agree - full CHPro setup here too. (Had Saitek - complete junk. I also have had Warthog - too huge.)


looking for CHPro in UK? - https://www.flightstore.co.uk/aviation-gifts-c221/flight-simulation-c1326/flight-sim-controls-c800

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.................. I have almost set myself on the Thrustmaster 16000FCS Throttle setup for the left-hand, .

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The one thing that makes me less keen on the warthog, is the lack of a z-axis on the stick .............

I would say the CHPro throttle rather than the one you refer. It is amazingly robust and has terrific controls on it.

Don't worry about the lack of twist, my CHPro Fighterstick has no twist and so I have set the pinky button as a press-to-hold for the Yaw-to-Roll control, thus when holding it in sideways deflection on the stick produces a yaw rotation instead of roll, it is very easy to get used to and much more accurate than a twist axis. You can do the same with the Warthog stick if you decide to go for that incredibly big, bulky and heavy option.
 
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