Why is the Mission Generation System Still Broken?

[Devari]

I recently returned to Elite gameplay after a bit of a break and though I'd sign up for the CG in the HeHe system. Signed up with the corporate faction (generally tends to reach higher tiers than anarchy does) and started looking for massacre missions for the coporate faction.

There aren't any.

Checked the main Coriolis station, two outposts and two planetary bases in the HeHe system and I even went to a neighboring system with the corporate faction to see if I might get any missions there. No massacre missions. Yet somehow the anarchy faction has some massacre missions.

Before anyone asks, I refuse to mode switch, I play the game exclusively in Open and have no intention of mode-switching to get missions.

Why is this issue still a problem 2.5 years after launch? If I were a new player trying to get involved in this CG I would have simply given up and probably not bothered with the game if I encountered these types of issues. The point of CGs is to encourage participation and when their mission system can't even generate the necessary missions that is something they should have fixed a long time ago, it quite simply shouldn't be a recurrent problem at this stage in the game's development.

 

[SlackAlice]

Just read through this

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/368798-Conflict-in-Hehe-Corporate-(Combat)

You do not need any Massacre Missions to take take in the CG, just go to a CZ (Combat Zone) pick the appropriate side. Go back to the base and collect your Combat Bonds, make sure you have signed up to the correct CG first.

 

[Devari]

Just read through this

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/368798-Conflict-in-Hehe-Corporate-(Combat)

You do not need any Massacre Missions to take take in the CG, just go to a CZ (Combat Zone) pick the appropriate side. Go back to the base and collect your Combat Bonds, make sure you have signed up to the correct CG first.

This issue remains, why isn't the mission system generating massacre missions? All of the other war/civil war systems that don't have a CG are rather dependent on proper mission generation to make the CZ combat sufficiently rewarding given that combat bonds on their own are considerably lower value than RES bounties.

 

[Factabulous]

Why do you think this is a bug and not an attribute of they type of faction etc? Where are your sources please - thx!

 

[Devari]

Why do you think this is a bug and not an attribute of they type of faction etc? Where are your sources please - thx!

There are two factions in the same system engaged in a civil war, yet only one is generating massacre missions. It makes no sense at all for only one side in a conflict to generate massacre missions. It's a well-known problem with the mission generation system that FD has somehow not managed to fix. The fact that this problem persists in the current CZ makes the issue even worse.

 

[Factabulous]

It's a well-known problem with the mission generation system that FD has somehow not managed to fix.

references please!

(And the other faction is for an Anarchy, I expect they would pay for massacres, wheras the Fed Corporate faction is wary of lawsuits).

Anyway, I await your proof that Frontier acknowledged this is a bug, rather than a intended variety of missions

 

[Devari]

references please!

(And the other faction is for an Anarchy, I expect they would pay for massacres, wheras the Fed Corporate faction is wary of lawsuits).

Anyway, I await your proof that Frontier acknowledged this is a bug, rather than a intended variety of missions

First, you clearly don't understand how the missions system works. Suggesting that only Anarchy factions should be generating the missions is a ridiculous suggestion if you're ever actually done massacre missions. They are generated by all faction types, it has to do with the system state, i.e., war or civil war. You need to have enough experience playing the game to understand why the mission generation system isn't working, I can't explain it to you in way that you would understand if you haven't actually done these mission or if you somehow think that they should be limited to Anarchy factions.

Second, there are also prior bug reports that FD has investigated for this issue, as a simple search on the bug report forum will show:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ppearing-For-Both-Factions?highlight=massacre

 

[sqzbox1]

I think the intention is that you go to battle in a Combat Zone for your chosen side. That is what Combat Vouchers are for - these are not Bounty Vouchers. It didn't even occur to me to look for massacre missions. Just go to a CZ - that is what the intention of this CG is all about - join a side and fight it out on the battlefield.

 

[MottiKhan]

Submit a bug report. You'll probably get the same brush-off I did when I submitted a ticket about Massacre Missions not appearing. FD obviously don't care about them.

Feels good to hear back, right?

 

[Factabulous]

I never said only Anarchy generated the missions - reading is an under-rated skill. Oh, and thanks for saying I haven't played enough - Beta backer here - hi [wacky]

And pointing to one bug report where FD don't confirm that anything is wrong isn't very good evidence that you aren't just making up 'rules of how the game works', now is it?

Since it's been reported as a bug I guess you should contribute on that, and wait for the fix [up]

 

[Devari]

I never said only Anarchy generated the missions - reading is an under-rated skill. Oh, and thanks for saying I haven't played enough - Beta backer here - hi [wacky]

And pointing to one bug report where FD don't confirm that anything is wrong isn't very good evidence that you aren't just making up 'rules of how the game works', now is it?

Since it's been reported as a bug I guess you should contribute on that, and wait for the fix [up]

First, you very clearly suggested that you thought it makes sense for only the Anarchy faction to generate massacre missions, telling me you haven't played enough massacre missions to know this isn't how it works. You also stated that you wanted a "reference" that it wasn't intended game behavior. You can try to backpedal all you like but it's very clearly there in your posts which tells me you don't understand how the system is supposed to work.

Second, backing during beta doesn't mean anything if you don't understand how the game works.

Third, I clearly linked a bug report where FD indicated they are investigating which is confirmation that it is indeed a bug. They don't investigate intended game behavior, they would state that it is working as intended if that were the case.

Fourth, trying to argue with this by claiming that it's "only one bug report" tells me that you're obviously too lazy to do the forum search yourself, there are plenty of other examples where this has been described as an ongoing issue. Here's two more bug reports, and in one of the reports from three months ago FD actually thought that the issue was resolved but it continued to be reported in that thread and is still a current issue:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...sions-No-CZ-s-for-this-war?highlight=massacre

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...spawning-massacre-missions?highlight=massacre

At this point you're either trolling (rather badly I might add) or you simply don't understand anything I've described above.

 

[Devari]

I think the intention is that you go to battle in a Combat Zone for your chosen side. That is what Combat Vouchers are for - these are not Bounty Vouchers. It didn't even occur to me to look for massacre missions. Just go to a CZ - that is what the intention of this CG is all about - join a side and fight it out on the battlefield.

You can just collect combat bonds if you really want but they don't pay well and that's really not worth the risk/reward for going into a CZ, not to mention all the trolling and griefing that goes on in CGs in general makes it even more important to ensure that there is a reasonable risk/reward balance. The mission system should be generating massacre missions for both sides which is really the only way that CZs are lucrative during war state. It's something that should be working properly and for this issue to still be broken at the current CZ despite multiple prior bug reports is quite disappointing.

 

[Crank Larson]

FD haven't confirmed that it's a bug. In fact, their input on the bug report has been very limited so far...

It may be a bug, but it could also be that some factions don't generate these missions - there's nothing to say that every faction should generate every type of mission. However, the only way we'll know is if FD tell us.

 

[the100thmonkey]

I've noticed that a faction can generate missions in one conflict, yet not in another. Often they keep spawning standard missions such as you might see in a boom state or on no state. Sometimes the faction will spawn non-combat war missions. So that's three different behaviours.

As for whether or not it's working as intended, I've never been able to reproduce the behaviour. Personally, I think it's connected to the state the faction was in elsewhere when the war state took over. Are the corporate faction in the CG present in multiple systems?

With the fact that it's at the very least difficult to reproduce the behaviour, it's understandable that squashing the bug (should it be one) is not a simple thing.

 

[Mohrgan]

All of that type of mission, were taken by other players before you got there. They are bound to be popular, especially those associated with a CG. Mission boards aren't drawn up for individuals.

 

[iFred]

This issue remains, why isn't the mission system generating massacre missions? All of the other war/civil war systems that don't have a CG are rather dependent on proper mission generation to make the CZ combat sufficiently rewarding given that combat bonds on their own are considerably lower value than RES bounties.

Where is the source that tells that the mission system has to generate massacre missions?

 

[Zeeman]

I am having this issue too. *very* annoying.

I think the intention is that you go to battle in a Combat Zone for your chosen side. That is what Combat Vouchers are for - these are not Bounty Vouchers. It didn't even occur to me to look for massacre missions. Just go to a CZ - that is what the intention of this CG is all about - join a side and fight it out on the battlefield.

I suspect you miss the point. Massacre missions are supposed to be generated during wars. Combat vouchers are not the issue. I am participating in this war for two reasons. One, I am making the final dash to Combat Elite. I want to gain one more rank with the feds, so I can buy a cutter.

Massacre missions give you brownie points that help increase rank. Combat bonds do not. The Camorra are generating plenty of massacre missions. The feds generate 0.

I'm not after money I'm after rank and in a game where everything takes a lot of time, getting a small win by killing two birds with one stone would be nice. Especially when it is supposed to happen.

For the record, re-logging does not generate the missions either. Tried for 20 minutes.

Z...

FD haven't confirmed that it's a bug. In fact, their input on the bug report has been very limited so far...

It may be a bug, but it could also be that some factions don't generate these missions - there's nothing to say that every faction should generate every type of mission. However, the only way we'll know is if FD tell us.

It would be nice if they clarified...

Z...

 

[Jukelo]

This issue remains, why isn't the mission system generating massacre missions? All of the other war/civil war systems that don't have a CG are rather dependent on proper mission generation to make the CZ combat sufficiently rewarding given that combat bonds on their own are considerably lower value than RES bounties.

That only means RES bounties are too high.

Also missions are generated more or less randomly - although there is of course some weighting regarding local conditions. If the faction of your chosing hasn't generated massacre missions, then that's just how it is and you will have to fight whatever war you pick at a disadvantage.

 

[the100thmonkey]

All of that type of mission, were taken by other players before you got there. They are bound to be popular, especially those associated with a CG. Mission boards aren't drawn up for individuals.

But taking a mission from the board doesn't remove it from the board of another player.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Maybe its a simple matter of supply and demand? Given there are loads of people fighting in the CZ at a CG there may simply be no need to lure even more people in by spending lots of more money.

Also not sure what the problem is, since it is a CG you already get paid twice with bonds and cg reward.